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Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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In the U.S., lead was purposely added to food until 1988, so it’s not like this is an exclusively ancient problem.

That's a bold claim, do you have a source to back that up?

Lead arsenate was sprayed directly onto fruit (like apples) as an insecticide until the government revoked its authorization for use on food products in 1988.

https://aapse.wildapricot.org/resources/Documents/AAPSE%20Pu...

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bold claim, do you have a source to back that up?

I think GP is referring to the ban on lead solder for tin cans that went into place in 1980. A bit of a stretch to call it intentionally adding lead to food, but in practice, not that different.

Hm, didn't know about that. I wonder if that is why my mom never bought canned vegetables when I was a kid. She always bought frozen if she couldn't get fresh.

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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What does the “Fall of Rome” actually mean? It’s not like everyone died or disappeared. They just stopped being ruled by a particular government.

I’m guessing it means that things went from one single government with lots of power ruling over a large population to many governments ruling smaller groups of people.

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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> Take Caligula as an example. We all know him as the mad emperor who supposedly once declared war on Neptune, then ordered his soldiers to attack the sea and take seashells as booty. The problem is that this story and the others like it all come from extremely late, hostile sources such as the biography Life of Caligula by Gaius Suetonius Tranquilus (lived c. 69 – after c. 122 AD) and Roman History by Kassios Dion (…

That's an interesting take -- and observing how some ultra-wealthy people today behave who aren't even emperors, just really rich -- seems plausible.

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you really want to boil it down to a single reason, the best candidate would be "becoming militarily dependent on hired mercenaries and then not paying them" rather than something more interesting

I can see that happening. Thinking about Canada. The other day I calculated it would take 25 hours of work for the minimum wage worker to afford a weekend camping. And I think that's a pretty good indication we're pretty close collapse. Workers not being paid enough, and out of control inflation is how the soviet system collapsed.

Do you think that average people throughout history had the means of going on weekend camping trips.

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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What does the “Fall of Rome” actually mean? It’s not like everyone died or disappeared. They just stopped being ruled by a particular government.

It means "you should check Wikipedia."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empi...

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs."

Plebs would often go down to the water line and hold their ears up to Unix shells to see if they could hear the C

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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In the U.S., lead was purposely added to food until 1988, so it’s not like this is an exclusively ancient problem.

Thankfully we've since migrated to benign (/s) chemicals such as BPA and now BPF, BPS...

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/common-chemicals-in-p...

Re: Lead poisoning probably did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP is referring to the ban on lead solder for tin cans that went into place in 1980. A bit of a stretch to call it intentionally adding lead to food, but in practice, not that different.

Hm, didn't know about that. I wonder if that is why my mom never bought canned vegetables when I was a kid. She always bought frozen if she couldn't get fresh.

Frozen veggies still taste better to this day... maybe that was why.
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