Mammals can breathe through their intestines (2021)

Post by shkkmo » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

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Simply not true. There are some rules to limit the amount of abuse or distress for some types on animal, but that doesn't prevent anywhere near all of it.

Ive done animal experiments. All the rats were unconscious.

Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

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Heart is truely an amazing organ - don't think we will get close to a mechanical replacement. Has multiple chambers, Has chambers that pump sequentially with different pressures and volumes, Never needs to stop for additional lubrication, Never needs to be "charged", Never stops for maintenance, Is powered by oxygen delivered by the red blood cells it is pumping, Is controlled by the body's "proprietary" electro-chem…

I don't care how amazing the body is (it is), blood flow needs constant flow with a pulse. Put two bellows in parallel, use a linear motor to push out quickly and pull in slowly on each, and voilà mechanical heart without shear. MIT licensed, go save lives you f'ers.

Post by maximus-decimus » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

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Yes, and what about the pigs? The detached coldness in the writing about the experiments on these creatures dates all of us. I find it odd how this can float by while we pine over the potential sentience of a server at Google. The acceptance of the brutality is inherent to our false sense of modernism.

Future generations will look back on this era's treatment of animals as barbaric. They will have the benefit of being able to grow vat meat identical to any steak and perform drug testing purely in-silico, so they will not need to use animals in the way we do now, but still, when you remove the economic/scientific rationale and look at the fundamentals of our treatment of animals, you can't help feeling at least a li…

Post by yellowapple » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

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You better not know what else scientists do to rats. And please, don't even start on the argument that they do it for science and not for entertainment. Entertainment in the form of science fiction is crucial for inspiring new generations of scientists.

> You better not know what else scientists do to rats. Most people know what scientists do to animals—there have been enough awareness campaigns over the years. Animal experiments are tolerated, and usually strictly regulated [1], because they can potentially improve the lives of people. > Entertainment in the form of science fiction is crucial for inspiring new generations of scientists. I don't see why that (if it…

Post by jahnu » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

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If I recall correctly, similar experiment have been tried lately, where the subject survive. (maybe because they were shorter than the navy's one) However, the subjects stated afterward that they felt adequately oxygenated, but also were on the verge of panic due to the constant feeling of drowning induce by having your lungs filled with liquid. None of them felt like they would be able to do any kind of productive t…

Whenever I have a tiny bit of water “go down the wrong pipe” I think about how truly awful it must feel to drown. Just inhaling a teeny tiny amount of water is so uncomfortable and sometimes even scary even though you can still breath and you know everything will be perfectly fine. I can’t even imagine how awful that sensation must have been for the people involved in this experiment.