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Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holding crypto on an exchange is like giving money to a guy on the corner who knows a broker to put in the stock market and telling them you don't need the account numbers, you trust them. If you're going to do crypto, get a wallet setup where you have the keys to it.

Where do you initially buy that crypto, then? And where would you sell it, in case you need other currencies?

Work for Bitcoin (wage)

Sell goods and/or services for Bitcoin

Trade Bitcoin on P2P platforms (Local Bitcoins, Bisq, etc.)

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #108

I recently watched some traditional cable and was shocked by the number of crypto ads bombarding viewers. I have to imagine that this market was goosed up by retail investors trading on coinbase and binance just as the e-betting market was. The only difference between crypto and e-betting is that everyone got to be a winner on the crypto markets for a while. As users lose out, and exchanges stop ad campaigns - how lo…

As long as people want to buy illegal things online, I don't think bitcoin will go to zero. That has, and always will be, it's only rational use case.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

#264
post #20

You really cannot make this up. As usual crypto in practice is the opposite of decentralized because people. Will. Not. Run. Their. Servers. Moxie nailed it

> You really cannot make this up.

Not only you can make this up but it's literally happened hundreds of times in the history of cryptocurrency. So much that there is even a catchphrase for it: "Not your keys, not your Bitcoin". MtGox being the most infamous example.

> As usual crypto in practice is the opposite of decentralized because people. Will. Not. Run. Their. Servers.

1) Only a small percentage of the total Bitcoin supply is held on Binance.

2) Self-custody doesn't require running your own server.

Why is this the top comment? I don't know (but I have my suspicions).

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

#266
I am so happy about this. I hope this is going to sour crypto for "investors". I use quotes, because they really are not -- investing should be reserved for fronting cash to create some value (like buying stock to infuse capital into a corporation). As it is all crypto trading is purely speculation.

The world would be so much better if money tended to be exchanged in good faith, to improve something rather than just to exploit market instability.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

#268
Reposting from the other thread:

I would like to provide some context to people unfamiliar with how the bitcoin mempool works and what you can do to avoid getting your transaction stuck. The mempool is all of the transactions that have ben gossiped about but have not yet been mined (finalized) into a block. Each node has their own mempool. You can see [1] that there are roughly 6 hrs worth of transactions in this node's mempool (everyone should have a similar mempool, though not identical). So Binance's claims of network congestion are "true" on the surface, however there are a few interesting points that lead me to believe that they are acting fishy.

1. Why does Binance not have RBF enabled on their withdrawal transactions?

  RBF mean "replace by fee" and it's a way you can mark an unconfirmed transaction as replaceable by a similar transaction that pays higher fees. This is extremely useful when you need to ram a transaction into a block by increasing the fee you're willing to pay miners to mine your transaction. I highly recommend you only use a wallet that allows you to use RBF & to have RBF enabled by default. Of course Binance knows about RBF so why aren't they using it? 
2. Why does Binance not use 'Child Pays for Parent'? CPFP is a little hard to understand if you don't understand that bitcoin transactions are linked together in a graph structure. In short, a bitcoin transaction is a data structure that points to previous transactions to spend. CPFP is when you make a new transaction that spends from your previous unconfirmed transaction (un-mined transaction in the mempool) and over pay in fees to cover the cost of both transactions. This incentivizes miners to include BOTH transaction in the same block. Once again Binance should be doing this. An ideal way to do this would be to batch a bunch of customer withdrawals in a single transaction. This would save a lot on network fees. They would make this big transaction payout a large amount back to themselves so that they could CPFP this batched withdrawal transaction.

3. Binance has their own mining pool with 11% of the network hash[2]. Binance could easily prioritize their "stuck" withdrawal transaction in their pool's blocks. Of course if they didn't subsidize their miners for this they risk them switching to another pool. One would think that halting withdrawals is an existential risk to their business so temporarily paying their miners to ram transactions through should be worth it?

So what is the take away from all of this? There are numerous tools at Binance's disposal. Why did they not work/why are they not using them? My hunch is that they don't have all of their ducks in a row & are running a fractional reserve. (this is pure speculation on my part) They likely had a lot of (your) bitcoin tied up in "risk-free" interest accounts (Celsius) and are scrambling to get ahold of bitcoin to give back to customers.

[1] https://mempool.space/ [2] https://mempool.space/mining/pool/binancepool

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

#269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is true, crypto is dead in the water and always has been. It's not hard to understand that people are simply not going to go through that trouble in order to own something.

People go thru a lot more trouble to ensure the value of their savings does not go to zero.

They absolutely do not. They put their savings in an account held by a centralized 3rd party (bank) with the backing of government-guaranteed insurance (FDIC).

Maybe some people store cash or gold in a secret place but that is the exception.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

#270

I just liquidated my entire BTC position. Crypto failed and will never be anything but a grift. I'm out.

I have two buying/selling indicators for crypto.

1. When my mom or other people who have no business in investing in crypto ask me how much bitcoin they should buy. (selling indicator)

2. When people start liquidating their positions and call crypto a grift. (buying indicator)

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