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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by cookiengineer »

pmontra wrote: post #66

As a Thunderbird and K-9 user this is 51% good news and 49% possibly bad new. Good news because it should increase the chances that the two products will live a longer life. Possibly bad news because I'm one of the crowd that went back to K-9 5.600 because the new version destroyed the UI that was the primary reason why we picked K-9 over other apps. 100% self selection bias here. There was maybe an ongoing effort to…

Note that Mozilla has nothing to do with Thunderbird anymore. They abandoned Thunderbird and it's a totally separate community project these days.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by the__alchemist »

javajosh wrote: post #25

As an aside, Thunderbird occupies that uncomfortable space of software that is libre, but seems so bloated and complex I don't want to install it, let alone work on it. I'm not sure if that perception is "accurate" (which of course depends on how you define things). But think of OpenOffice/LibreOffice. It's a huge, classically written C++ blob that is hard to check out hard to build and hard to contribute to. Yet, it…

How about a minimalist office suite and email suite written in modern C++ or Rust? Performance and responsiveness are important!

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #70
xg15 wrote: post #38

I'm continually creeped out by all the PR sugarcoating on what essentially are simple notices of acquisition. So all this is in effect saying is that K9 got acquired by Mozilla and will be integrated into the suite of Mozilla products. The justification given in the post is just non-information, because you could say this for almost any pair of software products if you define the terms fuzzily enough: > The Thunderbi…

Thunderbird Product Manager here. We have no intention to replace the backend or most of the components. It will not be a different app. It's still run by the K-9 project maintainer. The difference? We didn't want to see K-9 die because of a lack of funding, and our visions were aligned - so it made sense to work together. That's it. Thunderbird is community run (unlike Firefox, our community representatives approve…

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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by prophesi »

longrod wrote: post #53
itintheory wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which Firefox you're using, but the description you've laid out here doesn't match my experience at all. I've been using FF on desktop and android for years and have had no issues whatsoever. In what way do you feel firefox has been "left too far behind" ? There was a time when Chrome was faster by an ample margin, but it's no longer enough to be an important distinction. Between the privacy respecting f…

A full detailed list: https://caniuse.com/?compare=firefox+101,chrome+102&compareC...

I don't think this proves Firefox is dying. A better indicator would be Chrome's past decade of 90%+ browser market share. It's also worth noting that a good amount of the features not implemented in Firefox are either Chrome-specific experiments, or features purposefully unimplemented for privacy purposes.

If anything, it shows the damage of a browser-tech monopoly which Edge and Brave aren't helping with.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by jfk13 »

ekianjo wrote: post #35
emodendroket wrote: post #3

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but I worry about a loss of focus when Thunderbird is one of the few in a dying category on the desktop, which is much less true on mobile.

its mostly dying because its so poorly optimized it chokes on mailboxes that have more than hundred emails and cant do search properly. One of the worst FOSS out there.

I have mailboxes with tens of thousands of emails in them, and it works pretty well for me.

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javajosh wrote: post #25

As an aside, Thunderbird occupies that uncomfortable space of software that is libre, but seems so bloated and complex I don't want to install it, let alone work on it. I'm not sure if that perception is "accurate" (which of course depends on how you define things). But think of OpenOffice/LibreOffice. It's a huge, classically written C++ blob that is hard to check out hard to build and hard to contribute to. Yet, it…

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Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by 3np »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #70
xg15 wrote: post #38

I'm continually creeped out by all the PR sugarcoating on what essentially are simple notices of acquisition. So all this is in effect saying is that K9 got acquired by Mozilla and will be integrated into the suite of Mozilla products. The justification given in the post is just non-information, because you could say this for almost any pair of software products if you define the terms fuzzily enough: > The Thunderbi…

Thunderbird Product Manager here. We have no intention to replace the backend or most of the components. It will not be a different app. It's still run by the K-9 project maintainer. The difference? We didn't want to see K-9 die because of a lack of funding, and our visions were aligned - so it made sense to work together. That's it. Thunderbird is community run (unlike Firefox, our community representatives approve…

Hi Ryan, nice seeing you here. If you don't mind, would love to hear your thoughts:

I’m missing a story about mobile Linux. Has this been discussed; is this something on the roadmap?

There are already excellent e-mail options for iOS. Right now there is almost nothing outside of the cli that’s usable on mobile Linux. Thunderbird would have a chance of being the main choice while helping adoption of mobile Linux in the medium-to long-term.

I understand it’s not realistic to expect anything anytime soon, but I do hope this is being discussed and that we will see a strategy for it.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by javajosh »

xg15 wrote: post #47
javajosh wrote: post #25

As an aside, Thunderbird occupies that uncomfortable space of software that is libre, but seems so bloated and complex I don't want to install it, let alone work on it. I'm not sure if that perception is "accurate" (which of course depends on how you define things). But think of OpenOffice/LibreOffice. It's a huge, classically written C++ blob that is hard to check out hard to build and hard to contribute to. Yet, it…

> Surely there is a space for minimalist office suites and email clients, written starting with a browser as a jumping off point, rather than a compiler? As a user, I'd prefer a minimalist office suite that still doesn't have the browser as a starting point. I think a browser is actually not a good UI for an office programs, because it really awkwardly competes with your own document model: HTML at its core still wan…

It is interesting how people serious about text editing always seem to end up throwing away most of the DOM and use Canvas or SVG (e.g. CodeMirror). But even then the browser brings a lot to the table in terms of a common runtime.

Re: Our plans for Thunderbird on Android

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

imalerba wrote: post #32

Long time Thunderbird in Linux user, had to switch to Mutt a few months ago. Having 3 inboxes configured was taking, for some reason, +10Gb of disk and several Gb of RAM, plus being painfully slow and freeze pretty often.

Disk space is as much as you have mail. If not, there is something wrong with your profile.

I have 15 GB of mail across 5 email accounts and Thunderbird is currently sitting at 350 MB RAM. Rarely crosses 500MB, I think.

I am encountering some freezes and occasional crashes which are annoying, but on linux there is nothing better.

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