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Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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There's two counter points to this. The first is that in terms of day to day likelihood of losing the bitcoin, you're probably generally safer with an exchange than holding the crypto yourself. Secondly, if the exchanges actually do collapse, then whilst you won't lose your BTC if you're not on the exchange, your BTC are probably going to be worth a lot less anyway, so you're still exposed to the risk of exchanges co…

Use exchanges for just that, exchanging it, but don’t let a central exchange hold it in their wallet.

This reply completely ignores everything GP said. You didn't address either of the (seemingly very valid) points they made.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #76

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Alternatively: Many people will not pass an opportunity of a "risk-free" 20% APY. (Not sure if Binance in particular is paying interest on deposits, but many exchanges do, as far as I know.) Also, how are wallets the same thing as servers? That analogy seems a bit stretched.

I’ve only heard of this mythical “risk free 20%” after the crash. I never heard anyone advertising that rate before.

Must not know any crypto punters. They were all in on this.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #20

You really cannot make this up. As usual crypto in practice is the opposite of decentralized because people. Will. Not. Run. Their. Servers. Moxie nailed it

"Not wanting to run your own server" is not the primary issue. People might run their own servers if it was as easy as running a Mac or a smart phone.

People hate manual IT and system administration. They will sacrifice money, freedom, privacy, control, even ownership of their own works to avoid having to futz around with that stuff. They hate it that much.

(There are a small number of people this doesn't apply to. These are called enthusiasts. There are also car enthusiasts who like to change their own oil or even rebuild their own engines. We are talking about 99% of the market here though. Enthusiasts are a small niche.)

It's easy to understand why if you count time as money. Lets say you value your time at $60/hour, which is probably on the low side for people here but lets be conservative. Now lets say you have to spend three hours a month messing with your servers. That means it's costing you $180/month or $2,160/year. That doesn't count the additional cognitive load of having to worry about it or the inconvenience of something going down and needing attention at an inopportune time.

If those issues were addressed, you would see more people running their own servers. Unfortunately the "ease of use is for stupid people" meme goes way back in tech culture:

http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html

^^^ This is why FOSS has never crossed the chasm. It's a cultural problem.

Another contributing factor is the love that some developers have for complexity. They see complexity as a sign of intelligence. It's not. Simple systems are far more difficult and require much more intelligence than complex systems.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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> due to a stuck transaction causing a backlog How convenient for a transaction to get stuck on such a bad day for crypto prices.

Days like today, when price volatility – and thus transaction volume – is high, are exactly the kind of days you'd expect systems issues to manifest. As opposed to some random Thursday where no price action is happening.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #39

Bitcoin is getting close to its Dec 2017 peak. That may be when the real crash starts.

When I'm not sure I always google "bitcoin meme graph" and it's always correct, it's actually crazy how all major coins follow this pattern. Welcome to "capitulation" stage

https://www.kraken.com/en-gb/prices/eth-ethereum-price-chart...

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bitcoin%20meme%20gr...

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #20

You really cannot make this up. As usual crypto in practice is the opposite of decentralized because people. Will. Not. Run. Their. Servers. Moxie nailed it

For many crypto devs people will use infura instead of running their own node so lots of the devs are centralized to infura.

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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Sure. many of those speculators will be forced to wait for Binance to resume BTC orders, or use another centralized exchange, or use a bridge to swap BTC to another crypto asset.. Edit: swapping BTC needs a centralized bridge as child commenter notes

Unfortunately there is no decentralized exchange for BTC. There is no smart contracts on BTC so you have to somehow bridge it to something like Ethereum before you can swap it. And to bridge it you have to rely on some centralized party, such as WBTC. (I know renBTC but it's unclear who their validators are so I'd just assume it's centralized)

Bisq is a P2P Decentralized exchange for Bitcoin: https://bisq.network

Re: Temporary pause of Bitcoin withdrawals on Binance

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post #176

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What queue? Is there a queue in the bitcoin network? I thought it was a question of paying a high enough transaction fee and you would get your transaction done faster / within 10 minutes.

> What queue? Is there a queue in the bitcoin network? Yes, that's what the mempool is. >I thought it was a question of paying a high enough transaction fee and you would get your transaction done faster / within 10 minutes. that's broadly true, but if transaction volume spikes then your initial fee estimate might be too low. there are ways around this (RBF, CPFP), but it's unknown whether their wallet software handl…

How would this be an excuse for Binance to block outgoing transactions?

Unless somehow all of Binance's bitcoin was stuck in the mempool ...

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