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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.

People want to buy them, but can they afford them?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Do you think there will be a ban on combustion engines completely in the future? Hearing the engine roar is something I will miss.

I absolutely understand the appeal of ic cars, and (I assume), everyone will still be able to hear an engine roar at a race track or other private space. Engines roaring in a city might be nice for some, but for most it's just noise pollution, particularly offensive noise pollution at that. The lack of noise will be a huge benefit to electric cars.

Yep agree, countryside and private spaces will most likely be where ic cars live.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#173

I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.

Do you think there will be a ban on combustion engines completely in the future? Hearing the engine roar is something I will miss.

I’m in the other camp. The sooner we get rid of the assholes revving their engines the better.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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And a cheetah is faster than a tiger. Sorry, I don't understand your point if you have one.

Not going to take a train when I can take a plane (which is not crazy expensive anyway). And as you know, planes are pretty polluting. So not sure that ditching driving to your destination is a positive evolution.

Do you live in Europe? Car trips and plane trips are not interchangeable over here. If people ditch their cars, they won't be taking the plane instead, they would only take planes for long distances. If they have those means, it's most likely they're already taking the plane for it.

Furthermore, short haul flights are being banned in Europe.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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The EU probably needs to worry more about what they are going to power their vehicles for the next few years at least since they don't want to use Russian Oil.

EU doesn’t use oil to run it’s electric grid. There is enough Natural Gas production in the EU + UK to cover electricity production. It’s home heating that needs imported gas.

And heavy industry also depends on natural gas.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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I don't get how everyone is acting like EVs increase energy demands. They are way more efficient than ICEs, it would even be better to switch to EVs and just burn gasoline in big turbine powerplants.

I can't see if you are being sarcastic or not but this is definitely wrong. Burning gasoline to move a car is much more efficient than burning gasoline to produce electricity transported to a charger to charge a car to move a car.

You can check the numbers yourself on https://climobil.connecting-project.lu, comparing the ICE and BEV version of the same car (e.g. Volkswagen e-up offers both) and choosing the country where you would charge the vehicle. Poland seems the only country where the ICE comes out ahead I think. Note that this also includes the emissions for the battery production.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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There may be a faster fall-off than you'd think, because of feedback effects. Same way film cameras stopped being popular and then you couldn't get the films, or get them developed, so they got more unpopular, repeat until extinct. If fuel stations start closing down and you can't get the parts, it won't matter if fuel cars have decades of good service life ahead.

That is likely true for rich countries, but typically old cars get shipped to poorer countries where they continue to run for another decade or so. The infrastructure there will see good use for a while longer.

Assuming you can easily get parts.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Do you think there will be a ban on combustion engines completely in the future? Hearing the engine roar is something I will miss.

I’m in the other camp. The sooner we get rid of the assholes revving their engines the better.

I'm with you as well, in cities that is, but I should still be able to do it at a racetrack or the long country roads where I won't offend people.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#179

Way too rushed... I don't think there is a clear roadmap for how the required infrastructure and supply chain will work. Definitely no clear understanding on the environmental impact of EVs. Did some pushy Tesla sales reps took senior EU politicians for some cool test rides? Sounds very much like it.

Don't worry this is a liveline - not a deadline. It will be postponed to 2045 and then 2055, etc

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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I’m in the other camp. The sooner we get rid of the assholes revving their engines the better.

I'm with you as well, in cities that is, but I should still be able to do it at a racetrack or the long country roads where I won't offend people.

Couldn’t agree more!
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