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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by koonsolo »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

If they follow through with this, I’d expect a 2034 ICE car will fetch a premium in 2036 rather than being unsellable. (Note that, contrary to the headline and contents in the Register article, the ban is only on the sale of new cars with ICE, not on the sale of used ICE cars.) There are plenty of cases where EVs are very good answers today. My wife’s ICE car is 17 years old and still going strong. If I fast forward…

That will also depend on cities still allowing them of course.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by [deleted] »

neallindsay wrote: post #73

I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by scrollaway »

Ntrails wrote: post #149
scrollaway wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I expect the 2035 limit to be relaxed or result in fewer car sales because we can't power them up. Good . We need fewer car sales. We need more non-car infrastructure. We don't need an "output equivalent to the energy stored in the fuel used by today's non EV cars". What we need is fewer cars and more people on public transports and bicycles wherever it makes sense. Less car trips. The current price of gas is alrea…

> Less car trips. The current price of gas is already pushing people to take their car less and prioritize cheaper modes of transportation. Cheaper? . 100 miles on the train is more expensive [in the UK] than the fuel for the same trip. And that's before I put 4 people in the sodding car. Not to mention, my standard drive is barely serviced by public transport (requiring three changes and a significant detour). You c…

> miles on the train is more expensive [in the UK]

This didn't use to be the case. UK trains were privatised and their costs have gone way up in the past few years.

Regardless, the UK is irrelevant to this discussion as we're talking about the EU.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by Sankozi »

skeletal88 wrote: post #121
karamanolev wrote: post #7

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It's interesting to see how there are two top-level comments, one saying the date is too far away and the other saying that it's a short period for such a transition. I guess both are true in some way - it's really challenging to decarbonise quickly, but we need even quicker, because we're way past reasonable in terms of the environmental situation.

Electric cars are still ridiculously expensive, don't have the same range and features etc, why would I want one? I live in a cold place, cold isn't good for batteries and engines heat the car inside, with electric cars heating reduces the range drastically

We need to tell that to people in Norway where 85% of new cars are plugin vehicles.

Electric cars can run on average 100 km/h over 10 hours if you plan your trip well (and have a bit of luck with free spots on plugin stations). Apart from charging time I don't see where plugin vehicle is worse than ICE one when it comes to features.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by freemint »

koonsolo wrote: post #147
scrollaway wrote: post #128

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> Let's see how "the market" likes being unable to drive to their beach holidays without infrastructure. This is banning the sale, not the use. And trains exist in Europe.

Airplanes are faster than trains.

Not carbon neutral air planes.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by scrollaway »

koonsolo wrote: post #147
scrollaway wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's see how "the market" likes being unable to drive to their beach holidays without infrastructure. This is banning the sale, not the use. And trains exist in Europe.

Airplanes are faster than trains.

And a cheetah is faster than a tiger. Sorry, I don't understand your point if you have one.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by pornel »

The last mass-market ICE vehicles of 2035 won't be your beloved V8 muscle cars. Increasingly tight noise and pollution limits already make it hard to make an appealing ICE car.

The last ICE cars will be mostly crappy econoboxes for people who can't afford a battery. And they will still have stupid touchscreens and phone-home software because that's dictated by fashion and profit margins, not the powertrain.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by alexandargyurov »

neallindsay wrote: post #73

I'm seeing a lot of skepticism in the comments here, but electric cars are already superior to their combustion-driven ancestors in most ways. People want to buy them. (Sales are already limited by how fast car makers can increase manufacturing capacity.) What this will do is mostly limit how long car makers can milk their gas/diesel engine making capability.

Do you think there will be a ban on combustion engines completely in the future? Hearing the engine roar is something I will miss.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by sandos »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

Why would you absolutely need to sell your car? Just don' buy an EV and run your car until its worth 0.

"Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies.",Yeah lots of talk about that previously but I don't think this will happen for _new_ cars. Also lots of places outside of cities.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by freemint »

carlmr wrote: post #98

>Raimondo noted: "The truth of the matter is that requires a lot of chips. The average electric vehicle has 2,000 chips in one car... one of the manufacturers said they're going to double their chip needs in the next five years. Probably the [combustion engine] car you drive now has hundreds of chips. The EV that we want you to buy over time has 2,000 chips." I hear this repeated all the time. No you don't need hundr…

What makes one think EVs are gonna have much more chips then a comparable ICE?

All those pumps, thousands of parts in the ICE, emissions control, transmission will become obsolete. Having a charging controller, an electric motor and battery monitoring is going to he a lot less complicated.

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