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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by adrianN »

normie3000 wrote: post #56
adrianN wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is likely true for rich countries, but typically old cars get shipped to poorer countries where they continue to run for another decade or so. The infrastructure there will see good use for a while longer.

> where they continue to run for another decade or so Or another 50 years. The modern western disposable culture isn’t global, although is certainly envied by many who don’t have it.

Of course some cars live essentially forever somewhere, but I think the fraction that passes the thirty year mark is rather small.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by guiriduro »

toyg wrote: post #48
devoutsalsa wrote: post #4

I wonder how realistic that is. That’s a huge shift to make in only 13 years. I guess we’ll see!

It isn't. In about 5-10 years we will see a big push to delay that deadline, or even quietly shelve it. The industrial sector in particular is nowhere near switching, and they are critical - by and large, distribution relies on rubber, and that rubber is not going to be electric in 10 years time.

Hopefully, forceful policy can ensure it happens before environmental collapse and secondary effects like resource war achieve the same effects in less desirable ways. Fear of the latter should enable policymakers to be more ruthless about the former.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by desas »

toyg wrote: post #48
devoutsalsa wrote: post #4

I wonder how realistic that is. That’s a huge shift to make in only 13 years. I guess we’ll see!

It isn't. In about 5-10 years we will see a big push to delay that deadline, or even quietly shelve it. The industrial sector in particular is nowhere near switching, and they are critical - by and large, distribution relies on rubber, and that rubber is not going to be electric in 10 years time.

What does rubber mean in this context?

The deadline is for cars and light commercial vehicles, not for heavy goods vehicles, which is what industry uses for nearly all distribution.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by dgellow »

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe.

Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies.

Edit: it’s a genuine question, I don’t understand the logistic behind it, other than driving your old car to Turkey and sell it there, which isn’t realistic for the millions of existing cars. I asked it a few times in the past but didn’t get satisfying answers.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

arez wrote: post #45
LAC-Tech wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) US led and coordinated Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Famously ineffective in 2015. Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country? The near abroad of the EU is not the EU, they are its neighbouring states.

in 2015 it was agreed to let people in. Luckily we don't have gates that we open and close, but the countries in the EU agreed that this was a humanitarian crisis and decided to take some amounts of foreigners in.

>in 2015 it was agreed to let people in

There was no common EU agreement to do that though. It was mostly Germany posturing for good PR and to try to save their ageing demographics and supplement their manufacturing sector which is dependent on imported cheap labor to stay competitive, as the cheap labor from the Eastern Block dried up.

Denmark and other EU members chose to opt out from the refugee sharing scheme back then, denying to take them in, and this was also one of the main factors that violently triggered Brexit as lots of brits feared the idea of having to be obliged to take in unwanted people just because that's what Germany was suggesting to other members.

All it did was create dissident among EU members and help break up the EU.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ianbooker »

paganel wrote: post #42

So I guess that leaves my country a little under 15 years to get out of the EU. Manageable.

This is an interesting guessing game. What country could it be?

You must be thinking that automotive will suffer from this, this leaves France and Germany on the table. Arguably, a lot of the sector is spread across the EU, but this spread is facilitated by the common market itself.

Since France has basically endless opportunities arising from its "carbon neutral" power generation, are you thinking of Germany?

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Post by CalRobert »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

Crushed and recycled, presumably. A new ICE car bought today will be usable for over a decade. Of course, the whole point is to make combustion vehicle purchases unappealing, and telling people their resale will be close to nothing helps with this!
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