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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by wickedsight »

jakkos wrote: post #27
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

> banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? Am I meant to think that: banning one of the biggest contributors to climate change, lessening walled gardens and e-waste, and giving us more control of our own data are bad things?

They are if you drink the megacorp coolaid. There's so much opinion making going on by companies that have a lot to lose from this stuff. Remember when Facebook said that GDPR would mostly hurt small businesses that use Facebook for targeted ads? That one didn't really stick, but those types of stories are getting people to defend corporate interests even though they have no real reason to.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by pasabagi »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

I think you've been watching too much Fox. The EU is almost totally within NATO, so when you're using the word 'deterrence', and 'near abroad', you're not talking about defensive deterrence. You're talking about the ability to project hard power. That's something most EU citizens have no interest in.

When you're talking about 'policing external borders', you're both ignorant of the reality (EU power projection in the 'near abroad' has led to the non-EU states in the periphery stemming migrant flows), and you're again, arguing the EU is lacking something most of its citizens do not want. The vast majority of arrivals in the EU have legitimate claims to asylum, and human rights are a more important value than having proper paperwork.

The regulation stuff is what the EU is supposed to do. The whole elevator pitch of the EU is you get all the economic integration without the political integration. So banning IC engines, establishing standards, that kind of stuff, is part of the program. That's why a disparate set of nations that often hate eachother all want to be part of the same union.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by Retric »

gg82 wrote: post #36

The EU probably needs to worry more about what they are going to power their vehicles for the next few years at least since they don't want to use Russian Oil.

EU doesn’t use oil to run it’s electric grid.

There is enough Natural Gas production in the EU + UK to cover electricity production. It’s home heating that needs imported gas.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by normie3000 »

adrianN wrote: post #44
JulianMorrison wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There may be a faster fall-off than you'd think, because of feedback effects. Same way film cameras stopped being popular and then you couldn't get the films, or get them developed, so they got more unpopular, repeat until extinct. If fuel stations start closing down and you can't get the parts, it won't matter if fuel cars have decades of good service life ahead.

That is likely true for rich countries, but typically old cars get shipped to poorer countries where they continue to run for another decade or so. The infrastructure there will see good use for a while longer.

> where they continue to run for another decade or so

Or another 50 years. The modern western disposable culture isn’t global, although is certainly envied by many who don’t have it.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by nlqwert »

wickedsight wrote: post #41
adrianN wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say about electric cars is also true for new fossil cars.

Older ones too. If anything, newer cars are getting more secure in this, because if laws like GDPR. Many cars don't even really wipe data when you do a 'factory reset'. They just don't show it anymore, but if you get to the source data, you can still see it. Think about that next time you sell your car.

You have to fight again and again to enforce GDPR. GDPR certainly did not make ISPs more honest. In fact, Vodafone (in Europe) has just announced that they will track all connections, assign each customer a supercookie (on their side) and sell out the paying customer to advertisers.

I don't think this would have happened in Europe in 2005.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by toyg »

Angostura wrote: post #33
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

I think you find it hilarious because you misunderstand its purpose its a bit like me laughing at the US federal government because it can't even put consistent marriage or abortion laws in place across the country. The EU's roots are as a common trading block - it is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. A common defense policy isn't part of that, external borde…

> t is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries.

Somewhat ironically, that's also the basic principle enshrining the primacy of the US federal government - rules for interstate commerce.

The main difference between the US system and EU system is that one was effectively built top-down, and the other bottom-up. At some point, they will likely reach a similar equilibrium, with US states becoming more and more independent and EU states less and less so.

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