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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

ngcazz wrote: post #10

Sounds like today is the worst day to sell my 1.6l diesel, but tomorrow will be worse.

No really. Any semiconductor shortage will see the value of existing second hand cars on the road shoot up. Especially those with fewer electronics and high reliability.

In fact, the most desirable second hand cars (in Europe at least) are those form around mid '00s, as they had enough electronics to be relatively fuel efficient and safe, but still be reliable enough to not get you dragged to the dealership because one of the million electronics on board of the cars of today decided to have a bad day (modern cars a reliability nightmares, making out of warranty repairs super expensive, basically pushing people to old cars).

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by alexandargyurov »

hkopr wrote: post #9
alexandargyurov wrote: post #5

The whole of Europe including the Eastern block? Good luck by 2035

Private jets will still be allowed and they'll still export gas-guzzling Ferraris to Saudi Arabia and Moscow.

Whatever spins the wheel

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ChemSpider »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

You must be living under a rock:

Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions)

Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex

Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by alexandargyurov »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #18
alexandargyurov wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're cheap and good we'll buy them :) Germans make *some* great cars

Meh, German cars are good as long as you're within the warranty/lease period. Out of warranty, I wouldn't touch any modern German car. Japanese brands tend to be more reliable.

Yeah, fair enough, same with washing machines and fridges. Toyota are good, old Land Rovers from about 1998 to early 2000s were built to last - now, not so much. The good thing is we can see which modern cars weren't built to last and not buy them :)

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by shrubble »

JonAtkinson wrote: post #11
hkopr wrote: post #6

This is good from an environmental perspective, if (and that is a big if) the electricity is generated from clean sources. The societal implications are worrisome. Electric vehicles tend to track and surveil their "owners", fast charging is centralized and can be tracked as well. We have seen how far dystopian regimes like Trudeau's are willing to go. Instead of freezing the bank accounts using enabling laws, he coul…

All vehicles, no matter how old, or what form of propulsion, are tracked via the ANPR systems which have been built over the last three decades. This is certainly true in Europe, though I understand that those networks aren't as mature in the USA yet (anecdotal, and I could be very wrong about that). I've yet to hear about any vehicles with 'kill switches'. Is there any evidence of this, or is it just a possibility?

A reality since at least 2009: OnStar remotely disabled the gas pedal... https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/10/onstar-g...

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by jakkos »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

> banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups?

Am I meant to think that: banning one of the biggest contributors to climate change, lessening walled gardens and e-waste, and giving us more control of our own data are bad things?

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Post by kungito »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

How about GDPR, obligatory warranty periods, and other consumer protections? Also, there are things like Schengen which are not the same as EU. I always felt like EU is a citizen-centric union while USA is a business-centric union. Also, EU is progressing slowly with integrating various aspects of governing while trying to respect individuality of separate countries.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by seszett »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

Since the EU started out as an economic union, it seems on the contrary very logical that its priority is regulating the market rather than military considerations.

Cooperation on military and foreign affairs is developing though, so I think you are just misinformed on the EU and its purpose.

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