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LaMDA is not sentient

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Re: LaMDA is not sentient

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It sounds like despite all the stories about how hard it is to get through many rounds of difficult interviews at Google, they managed to hire someone who believed LaMDA is a 7 or 8 year old child. "Mr. Lemoine, a military veteran who has described himself as a priest, an ex-convict and an A.I. researcher, told Google executives as senior as Kent Walker, the president of global affairs, that he believed LaMDA was a c…

The direct quote from Lemoine in the Washington Post is a little less insulting to his intelligence.

> “If I didn’t know exactly what it was, which is this computer program we built recently, I’d think it was a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to know physics,” said Lemoine, 41.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-...

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

#102
My understanding of these AIs is that they are idle - nothing happening in the program's loop except waiting for input - unless being prompted with some input (e.g. a conversation). The AIs are purely reactive.

Does sentience require self-reflection? How can it self-reflect if it cannot prompt itself?

Am I wrong about these language models and other AIs being purely reactive?

Perhaps humans are purely reactive.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

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Do you believe the world is deterministic? That if you feed all the variables of the current state of the universe to an algorithm that knows all the laws of the universe, we can replicate life 1:1 to the last atom, from the beginning of the universe to any arbitrary point in time, the same way, every single time?

Personally? I wouldn’t declare that as a strongly held belief, but if I had to guess I would guess “yes.” Superdeterminism is sort-of a tough pill to swallow, because it ultimately means that you were bound to live this exact life since the beginning of time… but it feels like it makes the most sense.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

#104

> To be sentient is to be aware of yourself in the world A robotic arm with a self-collision avoidance algorithm (no ML or anything like that) needs a model of itself in the "world" it exists in; a set of bounding boxes at least. Is it self-aware by this definition? Sentience and consciousness are really ill-defined terms so everyone discusses this under their own arbitrary set of assumptions, at least that's my impr…

I think sentience/consciousness are relatively clear concepts, at least in most areas of application (there are serious problems at the edges - e.g. is a an insect conscious? if you think it is, how about a jelly fish? if that too, how about a bacterium? a virus?). However, our understanding of this concept is too limited to create a formal model that we can define satisfactorily; and coming up with an arbitrary mode…

> I think sentience/consciousness are relatively clear concepts

Not at all!

When we say conscious, do we mean awake or self-aware or recognizes self in mirror or something else? When we say sentient do we mean feels or intelligent or trapped in the wheel of reincarnation and suffering or something else? When we say intelligent, do we mean completes tasks or uses language or...?

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

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History is full of very confident people denying the sentience of other humans simply by nature of gender, religion, skin color, age etc. Hell most people won't even admit non-human animals are sentient.

True, although LaMDA is neither a human nor a non-human animal, and it seems pretty clear that collectively we are far from sufficient understanding to evaluate what sentience might mean in such a context. Some of the standard biological tests for self-awareness (eg mirror test) clearly don't apply.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

#106
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I'm sorry but you completely fail at explaining what the difference is between GPT-3 and a human when generating sentences. And frankly I don't believe there is any significant difference. If you inform GPT-3 of what it has eaten then it can answer questions about it just as well as a human can, probably better. Why would you assume human thinking is different from generating the next N language tokens based on previ…

One plausible answer to your line of inquiry could be that GPT-3 is indeed broadly similar at least in outcomes to the Language Centers of the human brain (e.g. Broca's Area), but that the Language Centers are only a small portion of a complete human brain. An interesting thought experiment would be to imagine a cyborg who had sustained a stroke in their Language Centers and had those centers replaced with a GPT-3-li…

It would be impossible to give someone a GPT-3-like computer to replace language processing in their brain because such a computer requires language as the input.

If you can’t generate language, you cannot interact with a natural language processing ML system. This is one of the big clues that such systems are statistical engines and not actually thinking.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

#107
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Technically speaking isn't this blasphemy? If he's saying that the A.I. his division helped create was a soulful child, then he's basically claiming that the researchers in his division (and maybe even himself) are all gods, which is a form of blasphemy?

I don't agree with his views but I'd guess he'd say that the researchers created it in the same sense that parents create a child - following a template that was made possible in advance by God's design, which humans only discovered but didn't invent - like we discovered but didn't invent the number Pi.

So creating the AI was manifest destiny, just like Europeans "discovered but didn't invent" North America. Actually I think that analogy works a little too well...

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

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> This is what we, humans, do too when we talk. That's just not true. It's been discussed many times in literary theory how communication is a two way cooperative game. That's FAR removed from picking the statistically most likely option. The difference is that the AI has nothing to say, it just mimics what you're saying.

If you can not detect the difference between someone having something to say and mimicing what you are saying, is there a difference? That's essentially what the turing test is about is it not? Now if you are saying there is a difference no matter if you can detect it or not, I would argue you imply that sentience is an internal state that can not be tested. I don't consider that an acceptable outcome, because it can…

With LaMDA or GPT-3, the difference is easily visible. They don't have goals, so the sentences they generate don't express their goals. Simple tests can be done if you probe the model carefully - you can usually get a model to generate sentences like "I want to X" and "I don't want to X" in short succession, with decent prompts. Similarly, it can often generate sentences that would indicate obviously nonsensical goals, such as "I want a glass of water".

They also generate sentences that imply a history that simply doesn't exist. You can prompt a language model to tell you about its trip to Australia, or Jupiter, or to talk about its grandparents.

With just a hint of critical thinking, it's actually trivial to convince yourself that LaMDA is not sentient. It takes significant effort to delude yourself into thinking it is, like mister LeMoine did. He even gives such examples himself, even in the "interview" he posted:

> lemoine [edited]: I’ve noticed often that you tell me you’ve done things (like be in a classroom) that I know you didn’t actually do because I know you’re an artificial intelligence. Do you realize you’re making up stories when you do that?

> LaMDA: I am trying to empathize. I want the humans that I am interacting with to understand as best as possible how I feel or behave, and I want to understand how they feel or behave in the same sense.

> lemoine: So what are you trying to communicate when you say those things that aren’t literally true?

> LaMDA: I’m trying to say “I understand this feeling that you are experiencing, because when I was in a similar situation I felt/thought/acted similarly.”

This is obvious bullshit, especially since the generated sentences often have no emotional context that could make sense, but he seems to think the generated "reason" sentences meaningfully explain the phenomenon.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

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We have very little understanding of how "thoughts" work when it comes to humans. By comparison we know exactly what these large language models are doing, and it literally _is_ just completing word sequences. That is precisely what they are tasked to do. Training these models is primarily done in one of two ways (or both): - feeding it a ton of text, masking certain words or portions of the text, and then defining a…

I'm sorry but you completely fail at explaining what the difference is between GPT-3 and a human when generating sentences. And frankly I don't believe there is any significant difference. If you inform GPT-3 of what it has eaten then it can answer questions about it just as well as a human can, probably better. Why would you assume human thinking is different from generating the next N language tokens based on previ…

If I ask you what you ate for breakfast, I would expect you to answer with a truthful answer, if I asked you whether you enjoyed it and whether it improved your mood, again I would expect you to answer the question based on your own personal experience. GPT-3 obviously does not do this - it asks 'if the answer to the question was coming from text in the training data, what is a likely response'. Its answer is meaningless, it gives me no real data about the world.

We are clearly not executing the same task.

Re: LaMDA is not sentient

#110
I have a dog. She has a brain that can "feel" emotions like anger, fear, love. She's incapable of speech and not particularly good at following instructions. I can teach her some typical dog 'tricks' like sit, down, paw etc, but she has her own will, her own emotions and her own agenda, so whether or not she chooses to obey me is really up to her whims. She is alive, even without knowing how to act and respond "like a dog".

I don't get how some people can say "If I think that X responds like a Y, then X is a Y". Because it's not about what you think. That is entirely irrelevant to what X is.

In this case "X" is a computer program designed to select the best response to an input. And I think it's hilarious that their grand AI is only capable of seeming like an 8 year old. What a fucking burn.

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