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Re: Web Push for Safari

#101

Post by dmitriid »

ben174 wrote: post #54
scarface74 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean making them worse?

Reddit, for instance, should not be an app . It is failure on the browser's capabilities that you can't visit a reddit link without being spammed to death about installing their app. If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app. The OS would be able to handle permissions gracefully, instead of letting the app have f…

> If the browser was capable of the things the reddit product team wanted to do, they wouldn't need to bug you to install their silly web wrapper app.

Reddit is text with images. That is literally the core of what web is.

The only reason Reddit breaks their web version and pushes you towards the app is because Reddit wants to monetize the hell out of reddit, and doing that through the app is easier.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#102

Post by dmitriid »

usrn wrote: post #73
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

So we can have open source chat apps again. Only organizations can publish chat apps for the app store and it's resulted in a massive regression in IM app quality over the past decade.

You can, and still do have, opensource chat apps, and in app stores, too.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#103

Post by bwindels »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #99

Dumb questions about web push: would one see a gradual uptick in resources consumed by webworkers as they accumulate notifications from different sites? Would they keep the antenna/modem on a phone awake constantly? The big advantage of the current centralized model is that it's easier to coalesce notifications and the OS only has to maintain a single connection. Would hate to see my battery take a hit as a result of…

Web push notifications are also delivered through APNS, the service worker only gets woken up once there is a notification, it doesn't poll, so that shouldn't be much different from a regular app.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#104

Post by ben174 »

esprehn wrote: post #68
Jcowell wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, Reddit does well as an app (I’m of the option that HackerNews is too , that’s why in use Octal). It’s just that Reddit has a really bad app.

What capability/user experience does it gain by being an app?

Well, notifications, for one. Until this update which is not yet fully deployed and implemented.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#105

Post by dijit »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #84
esprehn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What capability/user experience does it gain by being an app?

It loses the ability to open pages in new tabs.

You can make a HTML link open in a new tab by adding the target=”_blank” attribute. You should insert this after the link address.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#106

Post by ben174 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #94
ben174 wrote: post #51

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You mean not installing yet another application and having another icon on my homescreen for every freaking website I visit? And these apps almost have no need to run any native code or do anything a website can't handle in modern day. Yes. I'm all for it. Let's make browsers more capable.

Have you thought about not installing the apps and just using the website? I have yet to see a website where I wanted to install the app to view it, and have no idea what features would make me want to do that.

Have you not enountered sites that app-wall you? Sites with useful content, such as Reddit - not allowing you to view the user-generated content unless you install their app? It sucks - but it exists.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#107

Post by ben174 »

dijit wrote: post #105
frosted-flakes wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It loses the ability to open pages in new tabs.

You can make a HTML link open in a new tab by adding the target=”_blank” attribute. You should insert this after the link address.

Your comment makes no sense in this context.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#108

Post by Klonoar »

HWR_14 wrote: post #94
ben174 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean not installing yet another application and having another icon on my homescreen for every freaking website I visit? And these apps almost have no need to run any native code or do anything a website can't handle in modern day. Yes. I'm all for it. Let's make browsers more capable.

Have you thought about not installing the apps and just using the website? I have yet to see a website where I wanted to install the app to view it, and have no idea what features would make me want to do that.

...which is why they're in favor of web push, which you're arguing against.

You just made their point for them.

Re: Web Push for Safari

#109

Post by kristiandupont »

sidlls wrote: post #26
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

Every comment suggesting it brings browsers closer to feature parity with apps is a great argument against the feature. Browsers aren't operating systems. Stop trying to make them be that. It has been a terrible disaster so far, and likely will continue to be going forward, given the lingua franca of development in browsers and all the terrible development practices that have grown up around it.

>It has been a terrible disaster so far

I would argue that it has been something closest to the greatest success of any OS.

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