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Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by scarface74 » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:05 AM UTC

dnndev wrote: post #57

scarface74 wrote: post #50

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You mean sending SMS as an app developer. Makes sense

Yep, once this feature is available on mobile - will increase our profit by 40% easily.

Or people will get so inundated with spammy notifications on websites asking for permission to send notifications they will just disable them globally (like I will).

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by paulgb » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

I run a free service[1] that lets you relay messages to a WebPush notification by hitting an HTTPS endpoint. It was originally intended for tracking the progress of ML training jobs, but people have used it for notifying themselves when event tickets became available, tracking prices, getting events from Raspberry Pi home automation devices, etc. I’m glad it’s finally coming to iOS!

[1] https://notify.run

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by usrn » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:15 AM UTC

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

So we can have open source chat apps again. Only organizations can publish chat apps for the app store and it's resulted in a massive regression in IM app quality over the past decade.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by usrn » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:17 AM UTC

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #34

Expectation: seamless push notifications without a dedicated app! Reality: users blindly click "do not allow" push notification dialog the way they already do with browser notification permission dialogs, location access, "allow cookies" banners etc

If they can't figure out how to use their phone that's not my problem. I just want to be able to use decent chat apps/services again without half the people in the group complaining bout their iPhones.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by cjaybo » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:17 AM UTC

adamredwoods wrote: post #65

olliej wrote: post #28

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I turn off/no to push notifications on every app that has ever asked for it, except Messaging and Calendar. Nothing else I've ever installed has warranted more than a little red notification dot on the icon.

Why cannot it be automatically "no" for all push notifications? A website should not even be allowed to ask me. MS Teams already gives me a lot of push notifications during my work day, and if the browsers starts to do this, I will be overwhelmed with beeping nag-notifications. Computer clutter is a distraction and lowers productivity.

Firefox lets you do this for each permissions category (notifications, camera/mic access, etc).

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by kredd » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:19 AM UTC

adamredwoods wrote: post #65

olliej wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I turn off/no to push notifications on every app that has ever asked for it, except Messaging and Calendar. Nothing else I've ever installed has warranted more than a little red notification dot on the icon.

Why cannot it be automatically "no" for all push notifications? A website should not even be allowed to ask me. MS Teams already gives me a lot of push notifications during my work day, and if the browsers starts to do this, I will be overwhelmed with beeping nag-notifications. Computer clutter is a distraction and lowers productivity.

You can set that up in browsers as well (blocking * domains from sending push notifications).

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by usrn » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:28 AM UTC

kgbcia wrote: post #12

Web push would be great for emails or transit updates, but most of the time there is an app. Also, I don't want to be disturbed at night or work. So I end up blocking everything except messages.

Apps suck. iOS is a treadmill and you have to maintain app specific infrastructure to send push notifications with them. It's very expensive (in terms of time) so volunteers don't do it. This pretty much guarantees any apps with push notifications are owned by some kind of largish organization. It's pretty terrible.

Hopefully this either moves all of that to the web or forces Apple to deal with the problems with their platform.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by thrdbndndn » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:32 AM UTC

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

I use the same ones as my phone, mainly SNS.

YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etc.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #34

Expectation: seamless push notifications without a dedicated app! Reality: users blindly click "do not allow" push notification dialog the way they already do with browser notification permission dialogs, location access, "allow cookies" banners etc

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Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #43

hamandcheese wrote: post #31

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The web is our only hope to not pay Apple/Google 15-30% of all digital commerce. Reaching parity with native apps is crucial.

None of the current messaging apps require or even support in app purchases. So the argument about paying anyone 30% is moot.

None of the current messaging apps require or even support in app purchases.

Apple's does.

My wife paid 99¢ to send people Svengoolie stickers.