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Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by hamandcheese »

sidlls wrote: post #26
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

Every comment suggesting it brings browsers closer to feature parity with apps is a great argument against the feature. Browsers aren't operating systems. Stop trying to make them be that. It has been a terrible disaster so far, and likely will continue to be going forward, given the lingua franca of development in browsers and all the terrible development practices that have grown up around it.

The web is our only hope to not pay Apple/Google 15-30% of all digital commerce. Reaching parity with native apps is crucial.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by zitterbewegung »

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

When I use Google Collab and I start a computation for an individual cell I will get a notification that the computation has finished.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by TAKEMYMONEY »

Expectation: seamless push notifications without a dedicated app!

Reality: users blindly click "do not allow" push notification dialog the way they already do with browser notification permission dialogs, location access, "allow cookies" banners etc

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by ricketycricket »

morepork wrote: post #16
mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

Push notifications are useful in browsers in all the same places they are useful in mobile apps. Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts. For example: - Sites with chat can send you messages even if you don't have the tab open (or even browser in some cases) - Online game e.g. board game or chess can push to you when it's your move. - Home…

> Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts.

Push notifications in Safari are only supported on desktop for now.

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Post by notatoad »

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #34

Expectation: seamless push notifications without a dedicated app! Reality: users blindly click "do not allow" push notification dialog the way they already do with browser notification permission dialogs, location access, "allow cookies" banners etc

Like any permission request, if you ask when the user attempts something that requires it, they'll accept. If you ask when the page loads, they'll (rightly) deny it.

Stop asking for permissions before you need them

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by agust »

rasengan wrote: post #25

I have been waiting for this since forever. Now decentralized PWA can contend against the AppStore apps. A big win for freedom. Thank you Apple.

More than Apple (which prevented the feature from being available on iOS for 7+ years and still hasn't shipped it) you should probably thank the regulators who are investigating Apple's anti-competitive practices and the web developers who warned about them! This is the result of the pressure of the upcoming regulations around browser engines on iOS and the anticipated resulting competition for Safari.

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by nimbleplum40 »

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #34

Expectation: seamless push notifications without a dedicated app! Reality: users blindly click "do not allow" push notification dialog the way they already do with browser notification permission dialogs, location access, "allow cookies" banners etc

Good! I already get too many notifications that I don't want. If an app provides useful notifications, I'll grant permission :)

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by brundolf »

mihaic wrote: post #10

I know I'm a bit tangential, but what are some actually useful examples of push notifications for browsers? Every time I've seen them in action was with spam/clickbait, after someone accidentally subscribed and couldn't remove it.

I worked on a web app once where we used them to notify the user when a job they'd started was done. They've also been put to good use in email and calendar apps

Re: Web Push for Safari

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Post by morepork »

ricketycricket wrote: post #35
morepork wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Push notifications are useful in browsers in all the same places they are useful in mobile apps. Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts. For example: - Sites with chat can send you messages even if you don't have the tab open (or even browser in some cases) - Online game e.g. board game or chess can push to you when it's your move. - Home…

> Note that browser push notifications also work on mobile, so you don't need to install an app to get real time alerts. Push notifications in Safari are only supported on desktop for now.

/sigh
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