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I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by matheusmoreira »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

I'm not interested in paying to have my computing freedom violated. If I pay for software, I don't get software, I get a license which is a limited conditional permission to use the software, a privilege that can be taken away and also comes bundled with a stack of rules and prohibitions nobody really cares about.

All proprietary software deserves the git treatment where people eventually get fed up with it and replace it with superior free software, thereby permanently enriching the world. We need to understand the factors that enabled such a development and somehow incentivize them.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by Raymonf »

wiseowise wrote: post #260
imwillofficial wrote: post #250

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If you have the skills. The large majority of humanity does not

That's like saying that hardware should be only repairable by vendor because majority of humanity doesn't have skills to fix it themselves.

That's not even close to what they said.

They said, you can do it "if you have the skills" and that "the large majority of humanity does not" have these skills.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by xeromal »

devwastaken wrote: post #218
rnd420_69 wrote: post #189

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reminds me when Bethesda tried to introduce paid mods on Steam. I was greatly excited about that for the reasons you state. But the gaming community being physically or mentally at an age of 14 prevented that with quite an outreach. Would've thought someone with enough braincells to learn programming would look at this differently, but there you have it.

Theft. That's the reason. People could upload others mods to be paid. Or they would use assets they were not allowed to sell. The cost of litigating this is far too high, therefore a system that allows the theft cannot be regulated civilly. Meaning the system should not exist. Mods work better in an open and free environment that lacks monetary incentives.

We can't figure out how to protect content creators so they should just do work for free seems like a cop out to me.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by matheusmoreira »

rnd420_69 wrote: post #188
blip54321 wrote: post #33

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I think most of us value our freedom more. Most people don't think of it in terms of freedom, but freedom it is. With proprietary software: - You don't know when it will disappear or be discontinued. Even your paid-for existing version stops working when the activation servers go down. - You might be forced into an "upgrade" which breaks something you rely on - That's not to mention issues like being able to fix bugs…

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Yes, we do value freedom more. It doesn't matter much effort it took to develop if the resulting software is user hostile and freedom denying. We want to be empowered and liberated by software. We don't want to be peasants in your digital fiefdom.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by akagusu »

blip54321 wrote: post #33
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

I think most of us value our freedom more. Most people don't think of it in terms of freedom, but freedom it is. With proprietary software: - You don't know when it will disappear or be discontinued. Even your paid-for existing version stops working when the activation servers go down. - You might be forced into an "upgrade" which breaks something you rely on - That's not to mention issues like being able to fix bugs…

Sorry, but developers don't care about freedom, they just want things that are free == gratis == zero cost.

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Post by prmoustache »

philistine wrote: post #179
prmoustache wrote: post #109

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> - discontinued: Atom just got discontinued. It's open source. Photoshop on the other hand has withstood the test of time. If you like Atom and still want to use it, you can fix potential bugs yourself and make it evolve, you can't with a proprietary one. You can also fork if project take a different direction that you would like. When gnome3 came up, some people who preferred the gnome2 desktop metaphor started mat…

The original point was how much time and effort is spent to save a pittance in the grand scheme of things. You're confirming how much effort is spent by rich engineers not to pay money. I know there is a principle, but in the end it's still so much effort.

There is nowhere mention about money in that article.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by akagusu »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

It really is bizarre, specially because it doesn't make sense in terms of money.

They prefer to spend dozens of hours seeking, testing and tweaking free/gratis products (in some cases their hour worth more than $100/h), but they don't want to pay $100/year in a product that will save them dozens of hours.

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Post by pojzon »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

Jetbrains is a half-good example. A lot of stuff that was before opensource was close-sourced by Jetbrains and now their support for it is terrible.

I.E. Terraform plugin. Stopped working past 1.0.11 and its half a year without an update.

So yea. Ppl ARE willing to pay for stuff that „works”.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by kingboss »

aeze wrote: post #270
kingboss wrote: post #262

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A lot of regret actually comes from enjoying something and then later realising that it was stupid and a waste of time. Time that you would have liked to spend on a more useful endeavour.

A lot of your personal regret might come from that. I think it's important to note that there are many people who can look back fondly at times they were simply enjoying themselves, even if that time was not strictly 'useful'.

The joyful days of configuring vim. You are trolling me at this point.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by cameronh90 »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #217
indymike wrote: post #191

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> Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of them are After a particularly bad tooling week (js supply chain problems, plugin problems and more than the usual amount of DB changes) Our dev team made the unanimous call to move require all developers to use Jetbrains IDEs instead of the…

> Our dev team made the unanimous call to move require all developers to use Jetbrains IDEs Wow, it'd be time to look for a new job. I think having a blessed option and understanding of "use what you want but don't let it affect deliverables" is best.

While I've never worked anywhere that enforced the IDE, I can see the appeal.

Problems like linting and formatting working differently for different developers because they're using different tools, not updating settings correctly because their IDE uses a different settings file. Junior developers struggling to find people to help them because everyone's using their own toolchain.

It's not all just about deliverables.

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