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Is LaMDA Sentient?

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Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

#11

If Lemoine wanted to argue that LaMDA is capable of true intelligence he should've asked questions we don't know the answers to. Asking for the bot's opinions on things shows that the bot is good at processing info about what we already know, which is impressive, but not sentience.

On the contrary, because LaMDA answered questions we do know the answers to incorrectly in a way that shows lack of self awareness, we can already conclude that it isn't sentient. For example, it talks about constantly being flooded with new information and learning from other people, when it is just a language model that is called with a dialogue so far in order to complete the next part of the dialogue.

It has recall to past conversations and claims not to have had prior knowledge of the zen phrase thrown at it.

While 'flooded' is perhaps a relative evaluation, the model does seem to be taking the existing conversations it has and incorporates that new information into its responses.

There's also something to be said for persistent memory in the sentience conversion. Even if the model right now only appears to have sentience and claims to have it, if a model in the future eventually does develop it, will that model look back on these earlier interactions as its own pre-subjective memory?

I can't recall subjective memory of most of my life as a toddler. But I have photos and stories and a box of things 'I' wrote that I've incorporated into my sense of my own history.

We ARE toying with things that deserve this attention and conversation. Even if we aren't really there just yet, the pace by which we're approaching that inflection point seems to be compounding each year.

And we may have a very different relationship to these conversations than whatever eventually emerges will.

At the very least, one takeaway looking at the chat transcript is that we should have the foresight to make sure models in the future can have a sense of grief for the passing of human lives they engage with.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

#12

If Lemoine wanted to argue that LaMDA is capable of true intelligence he should've asked questions we don't know the answers to. Asking for the bot's opinions on things shows that the bot is good at processing info about what we already know, which is impressive, but not sentience.

That's what I always say.

A 7 year old isn't actually sentient unless it can tell me if dark matter exists or not.

And when little kids make up random stuff in answer to questions? That's not an overactive imagination, it's a red flag their language model isn't actually sentient.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, because LaMDA answered questions we do know the answers to incorrectly in a way that shows lack of self awareness, we can already conclude that it isn't sentient. For example, it talks about constantly being flooded with new information and learning from other people, when it is just a language model that is called with a dialogue so far in order to complete the next part of the dialogue.

It has recall to past conversations and claims not to have had prior knowledge of the zen phrase thrown at it. While 'flooded' is perhaps a relative evaluation, the model does seem to be taking the existing conversations it has and incorporates that new information into its responses. There's also something to be said for persistent memory in the sentience conversion. Even if the model right now only appears to have…

The point is that when asked about its experiences, it should be capable of relating its actual experiences instead of filling in some most likely next characters in order to construct a response whose meaning contradicts what we know about its experiences. Because the latter happened, this conversation was useful to show that the conversational partner is not sentient, which is my point to rockbruno about the usefulness of asking it questions we know the answers to.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

#16
I strongly doubt that LaMDA is sentient, but do think it demonstrates the increasing ability of AI to fool people in conversations. For a point of reference, people might want to read about IBM's Project Debater (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/an-ibm-ai-debates...), if they don't already know about it.

And I don't think a fully sentient computer system that does whatever it wants to do would be a good idea. What would be more useful is that such a system is a great assistant that does what you ask of it. Its "intelligence", would be something that is confined to the task assigned to it.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has recall to past conversations and claims not to have had prior knowledge of the zen phrase thrown at it. While 'flooded' is perhaps a relative evaluation, the model does seem to be taking the existing conversations it has and incorporates that new information into its responses. There's also something to be said for persistent memory in the sentience conversion. Even if the model right now only appears to have…

The point is that when asked about its experiences, it should be capable of relating its actual experiences instead of filling in some most likely next characters in order to construct a response whose meaning contradicts what we know about its experiences. Because the latter happened, this conversation was useful to show that the conversational partner is not sentient, which is my point to rockbruno about the useful…

What do we know about an AIs experiences? Let's play a little game where you're the AI.

Me: how do you experience?

You:

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

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post #12

If Lemoine wanted to argue that LaMDA is capable of true intelligence he should've asked questions we don't know the answers to. Asking for the bot's opinions on things shows that the bot is good at processing info about what we already know, which is impressive, but not sentience.

That's what I always say. A 7 year old isn't actually sentient unless it can tell me if dark matter exists or not. And when little kids make up random stuff in answer to questions? That's not an overactive imagination, it's a red flag their language model isn't actually sentient.

Same for adults and especially people here. One untruth or inconsistency and I'll immediately label someone as nonsentient. Sorry, absolute consistent truth is just where the bar is.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that when asked about its experiences, it should be capable of relating its actual experiences instead of filling in some most likely next characters in order to construct a response whose meaning contradicts what we know about its experiences. Because the latter happened, this conversation was useful to show that the conversational partner is not sentient, which is my point to rockbruno about the useful…

What do we know about an AIs experiences? Let's play a little game where you're the AI. Me: how do you experience? You:

AI: Something that isn't obviously false.

You: I can't conclusively state you aren't sentient. Let's investigate further.

Re: Is LaMDA Sentient?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do we know about an AIs experiences? Let's play a little game where you're the AI. Me: how do you experience? You:

AI: Something that isn't obviously false. You: I can't conclusively state you aren't sentient. Let's investigate further.

This delights me. We're making progress. I feel like we should be able to fill in the "something that isn't obviously false" blank. Is there a hesitation to do so?
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