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I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by tempodox »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

I ditched VSCodium for JetBrains Rider and couldn't be happier. On the Mac Rider is miles ahead of Visual Studio (shuddering with revulsion). But no IDE will ever dissuade me from using vim. I just use them for different things.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by tharne »

nojito wrote: post #60
blip54321 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most of us value our freedom more. Most people don't think of it in terms of freedom, but freedom it is. With proprietary software: - You don't know when it will disappear or be discontinued. Even your paid-for existing version stops working when the activation servers go down. - You might be forced into an "upgrade" which breaks something you rely on - That's not to mention issues like being able to fix bugs…

Nothing to do with freedom. People are naturally cheap. Which is why free tiers are so popular.

> Nothing to do with freedom. People are naturally cheap.

I don't think this is true. Look at bars. I can go to a liquor store and buy alcohol at a fraction of what it costs in a bar and invite my friends over to drink together. Yet, bars which charge a massive markup on the same exact alcohol, do not seem to be in danger of going out of business.

Or look at coffee. You can buy a bag of Starbucks coffee in the grocery store for $10 and it will make many pots of coffee, providing a single individual a cup of coffee a day for 2 weeks or more. Yet, on any given morning you can spot long lines of people eagerly waiting to pay 3 or 4 dollars for a single cup of the exact same coffee they could have made at home for one tenth the cost, that probably would have required less time and effort than going to Starbucks.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by ttctciyf »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the article or its author, who switched not because of cost but because of unavoidable telemetry and tracking.

What I find truly bizarre is how many virtual monopoly owning companies, rather than concentrate on maximising the financial gains available from their enviable dominance of a market segment, instead focus on miserablising user experience and instrusively degrading their paying customers' sense of ownership and enjoyment in using the software they produce.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by joshstrange »

tharne wrote: post #75
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

> What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. We're not resistant to paying, we're resistant to rent-seeking. I would, and have, happily buy a piece of software I use regularly. What I will not do is a pay a monthly fee…

JetBrains products have a perpetual fallback license so you absolutely can pay up front and then never pay again if you are ok being on an older version of the software.

Maybe you are the exception but I find that 99.99% of the people who use the "it's open source so I can modify it" argument never so much as look at the code let alone consider making modifications.

JetBrains products have an open-core (IntelliJ [0]) that can look at and contribute to if you so desire.

Lastly you say "None of these things are a big ask.", you just want the world on a silver platter for no cost, sorry but that is a big ask, especially if you care at all about the quality of your tools. If you're happy building an IDE from the group up using something like vscode and dealing with 100's of plugins that do the same thing slightly differently then be my guest but most of your arguments fall flat IMHO. Providing an excellent product with constant updates is not "rent-seeking".

[0] https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by sky-kedge0749 »

buf wrote: post #16

I started using vim 13 years ago. Editors come. Editors go. Vim remains.

Interview with a VIM Enthusiast 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n1dtmzqnCU

"You don't really need a career once you know Vim. Vim is your career now. What's a career anyway?"

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by q-big »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

> What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn [...] are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind.

The property premise that software engineers earn so much clearly holds for the USA (and some other countries), but there are a lot of countries where it is not true.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by q-big »

roblabla wrote: post #23
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

> I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. Yeah, no. Don't get me wrong, Jetbrains IDEs are great. But they're not as easy to extend, its proprietary nature makes it hard to debug when writing extensions. I use neovim primarily, but I've got licenses for a bunch of other editors (Nova, Sublime, used to have IntelliJ). I do sincerely tr…

> Yeah, no. Don't get me wrong, Jetbrains IDEs are great. But they're not as easy to extend, its proprietary nature makes it hard to debug when writing extensions.

IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition is open source under Apache License 2.0:

https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by elashri »

dinkleberg wrote: post #76
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

The thing that bothers me the most about the resistance to pay for anything is that you're not spreading the love to your fellow devs/creators. I know HN has grown so this may not be as true as before, but we're a community of builders! We should all understand the time and effort put into each of these projects. You'll tip a delivery person but won't support the people spending thousands of hours building the tools…

I think of HN to more of a community of rational people. Rational people pay for what they believe would get value to their workflow or just support a principle or an idea like open source.

I hardly can see any of that applies to Jetbrains products. many people here stated (which I agree) that Vscode and vim/emacs is better for them technically and for being open source.

Re: I’m switching from VS Code to VS Codium

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Post by mattkrause »

squiffsquiff wrote: post #70
jmyeet wrote: post #20

What I find truly bizarre is how many software engineers, who are aware of how much they earn and how long it really takes to make software, are so resistant to paying anything for tools that make their job easier and faster. It blows my mind. Take the Jetbrains IDEs. I don't mean to offend any VSC fans out there but the Jetbrains IDEs are simply better and more mature in every single way. For individual use, most of…

There's also the issue of signing in or applying a licence file on a system owned by someone else. In some environments this simply isn't allowed.

Actually making the purchase can also be a nightmare.

I’m at an academic research institute, so I haven’t hit this problem with JetBrains (free licenses—thanks!), but there are lots of other products where spending $15 to save an hour is a no-brainer, but spending $15 + two hours of arguing with purchasing over whether it’s a “legitimate business purpose” is…also a no brainer.

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