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Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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You want to buy a “monitor”, not a TV. For instance there is this from LG [0] or this from Dell [1]. Just do a search for “large 4K monitor” and you’ll find more. [0] - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-43-ultrafine-4k-uhd-monitor-... [1] - https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-55-4k-conference-r...

Is there a proper term or category for a monitor meant for high end installations that has no branding on it (e.g., as one would put into a display at a museum)? I refuse to buy something with a logo on the front of it.

I buy laminate off eBay that’s consistent with my tv / monitor covers, matte / reflective black. It’s noticeable if you look but better than the alternative.

Samsung ‘the frame’ has branding on the side. It’s a shame the software on recent versions has a user hostile iptv component that doesn’t seem to have a disable function.

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If you go this route, you will want to stick to older technology for audio and content peripherals. Otherwise you will have to connect it to the internet for bugfixes. For example, imagine you want to keep a smart TV offline but you also want the latest greatest eARC features over HDMI 2.1; or you want that new Dolby tech to work with your PlayStation 5. That's stuff that came out in the last couple years. Assume it…

If I faced this dilemma, I’d just turn on my phone’s hotspot, give the credentials to the TV, then turn off the hotspot after it’s updated.

It's not so much the connection that's the problem.

You might have to agree to a ToS when you first connect to internet. Who knows what privacy you give away signing that.

The update might be a trojan horse containing both the bugfix you need and a new mandatory streaming service tile on the home screen.

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You want to buy a “monitor”, not a TV. For instance there is this from LG [0] or this from Dell [1]. Just do a search for “large 4K monitor” and you’ll find more. [0] - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-43-ultrafine-4k-uhd-monitor-... [1] - https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-55-4k-conference-r...

monitors dont have tv channels or hook ups for a lot of peoples cable boxes usually dont have the best (if ant) speakers or a remote either

Lack of TV antenna input can be a good thing if you live in a country that collects extra taxes for having a TV, like Austria, Ireland or Poland, as your screen is not a TV by law. IMHO there isn't much value in TV channels nowadays anyway.

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You and I suspect half the country. During the 90s I remember there was this big fuss when Gateway 2000 was introducing the first "smart/PC" TV to the market. Steve Jobs went on record as saying something along the lines of "Not only will it not work out, it shouldn't, because TV is the place where people head to at the end of the day to shut their brains off, not figure out even more ways to interact with tech." It…

> making sure ALL TVs insist on spending over a half hour pushing buttons before people can sit down to watch something and relax Is there any TV that’s even within an order of magnitude of this HN-tech-bro-I-own-my-device nightmare fantasy?

I believe so – there's this little-known, oldie-but-goodie brand called, "Torrents+External Drive®" in the West, and China has their own approach to "I can't even anymore" called "TikTok" ... perfect for just sitting down for a while and just watching shit instead of rolling out a project management spreadsheet to figure out what to watch and how to set things up so you can actually watch it.

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

Maybe I'm being a bit cynical but given that there are data channels provided by some HDMI cables/endpoints - do we know that for example the Apple TV cannot support an Ethernet-over-HDMI connection or that if it could support it, it's configured by default not to route traffic to/from this port? I think this feature was a commercial failure so hopefully it's universally unsupported.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technical advantages of monitors are valid reasons for higher cost (refresh rate, response time, color accuracy, gsync/freesync), but as mentioned in the video itself, TVs do have enough tech that monitors don't to offset those differences (size+resolution, brightness uniformity, OLED/curved/thinness options), so it should be a wash. However, the video you linked doesn't really address the advertisement subsidy p…

The point of the 1997 article was to show that even before Smart TVs and advertising revenue existed monitors were still more expensive than TVs, so nothing changed. Your parent post implied that if advertising revenue wouldn't exist, TVs would not be much cheaper than monitors. There are cheap no-name TV producers in China which sell ultra cheap TVs without them making any advertising revenue. I don't deny that ad r…

In 1997, monitors and TVs were much more different technologically than they are today. Today TVs and monitors are much closer in underlying technology/capability (discrete pixels, same video signal standards, similar illumination and color tech). LCD monitors were available in the 90s (13" was fine for a monitor, not for a TV) and were understandably many times more expensive than the hitherto strictly CRT TV tech.

Even between CRT TVs and CRT monitors, they weren't even signal compatible with each other. Maybe with a discrete graphics card that could convert pixels to NTSC/PAL outputs? Was that ever a thing in the 90s? Modems to convert cable signals to VGA output? TVs had scanlines because the signal they received represented horizontal lines as modulated analog signals (+ an analog audio signal) which were displayed back as lines after demod, rather than mpeg-bits received via modulated digital signals which were displayed as pixels. All of this meant that other than sharing the presence of a cathode ray tube, monitors and TVs were quite technically distinct. So yeah, in 1997 there were very good reasons why monitors were more expensive, which have since disappeared as the media world converged on digital transmission + output. TVs and monitors are more colinear in the fundamental tech and protocols today, end-to-end, with the differences mostly being auxiliary or in specs.

IIRC where I grew up, the price differences were even more ridiculous in the 90s but because market conditions amplified the technical differences — a TV was a mainstream household appliance, and anything PC-related was enthusiast/technologist hardware.

There are several no-name monitor manufacturers from China too, and their ultra-cheap monitors are similar in price to the ultra cheap non-ad-revenue-TVs (with similar low quality tech specs usually), or price differences more obviously explained by feature differences.

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In the US, Best Buy still sells a few decent non-smart TVs under their Insignia store brand, for example: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-43-class-n10-series-le...

Just got one of these on Craigslist for $100. No complaints!

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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TVs today are an absolute hellscape. It’s crazy that my 15 year-old samsung is superior to today’s market in every way except resolution; no network connection/random updates/ads/screenshot hashes being send, a simple and instantaneous remote, and it doesn’t take a full minute to turn on or change the input.

Nobody wants this garbage if they actually understand what is happening. The only “solution” I know is to never set up the network, and use appletv or similar set top box (which will still have unobtrusive content placement ads and likely tracking). A VLAN might work to support casting but is a administrative headache.

I’d pay primo money for a dumb samsung that just ran their 2008 firmware. LG now has TVs with cameras built in, the stuff of nightmares. Idiocracy is real.

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