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Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by IgorPartola »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #100
IgorPartola wrote: post #60

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Like it or not, it is true. As reliability and performance of automatics gets better and the gas mileage is now also on par and the cost to produce an automatic is reduced by economies of scale, manual transmissions are going by way of horse and buggies. It’s not everywhere but it will be. Also consider that EVs have different requirements for their transmissions than ICE vehicles and there are no EVs with manual tra…

But a manual is fun to operate. If all you care about is transportation, take the bus. You have confused personal preference with universal truth. And aside from that, the difference is complexity and reliability is still a fact. "Like it or not"

What manufactures do has little to do with what you consider fun.

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Post by rat9988 »

hereme888 wrote: post #109
ajaimk wrote: post #62

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Sadly, Samsung is leapfrogging LG with QD OLED :-( Which is going to be better technology (brighter colors with OLED blacks) Owner of 2 LG OLEDs

I think many people would be satisfied with not having the latest and greatest in exchange for a respectful device.

Many others would be frustrated if they have to compromise.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by 323 »

keerthiko wrote: post #121

This is why large monitors are so expensive, because they aren't subsidized by the ads large TVs force upon their users for the most basic usage. But if you can afford it, there are 40+" 4k and 8k monitors to which you can plug AppleTV/Chromecast/a small PC with a budget discrete graphics card. Or you can get a conference projector if no monitor on the market meets your size needs.

> because they aren't subsidized by the ads

That's a myth, even if subsidies do exist. Monitors were always more expensive than similar size TVs because they have better specs, more features, and longer warranty.

Linus Tech Tips on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWH1zXmFgl8

1997 Baltimore Sun article about this: https://archive.ph/mhxET

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by gruez »

keerthiko wrote: post #121

This is why large monitors are so expensive, because they aren't subsidized by the ads large TVs force upon their users for the most basic usage. But if you can afford it, there are 40+" 4k and 8k monitors to which you can plug AppleTV/Chromecast/a small PC with a budget discrete graphics card. Or you can get a conference projector if no monitor on the market meets your size needs.

>But if you can afford it, there are 40+" 4k and 8k monitors to which you can plug AppleTV/Chromecast/a small PC with a budget discrete graphics card. Or you can get a conference projector if no monitor on the market meets your size needs.

Buying a smart TV but not connecting it to wifi seems preferable to both of these. It's cheaper in price (than buying a professional monitor), and has superior picture quality (compared to projectors).

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by jitl »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #73
jitl wrote: post #4

I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

If you go this route, you will want to stick to older technology for audio and content peripherals. Otherwise you will have to connect it to the internet for bugfixes. For example, imagine you want to keep a smart TV offline but you also want the latest greatest eARC features over HDMI 2.1; or you want that new Dolby tech to work with your PlayStation 5. That's stuff that came out in the last couple years. Assume it…

My 2019 Samsung does a fine job at eARC using its factory firmware, but I’m fine with PCM stereo audio.

My 2016 OLED LG model had a firmware update that supposedly would halve the max backlight to the point where the TV was unusable. Since I never connected the TV, I was safe from this but as you said I might miss out on some features.

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Post by bananamerica »

IgorPartola wrote: post #60
bananamerica wrote: post #43

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TIL most car in my country doesn't make any sense :P

Like it or not, it is true. As reliability and performance of automatics gets better and the gas mileage is now also on par and the cost to produce an automatic is reduced by economies of scale, manual transmissions are going by way of horse and buggies. It’s not everywhere but it will be. Also consider that EVs have different requirements for their transmissions than ICE vehicles and there are no EVs with manual tra…

I do agree, but the third world is on a 20 year time delay. So it'll take a while for everything that you're saying to become true where I am.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by gruez »

b112 wrote: post #137
jsjohnst wrote: post #126

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> white hat flooding Very curious definition of “white hat” you have

A white hat works for the public good, yes?

Close, but no.

>A white hat (or a white hat hacker) is an ethical security hacker.[1] Ethical hacking is a term meant to imply a broader category than just penetration testing.[2][3] Under the owner's consent, white hat hackers aim to identify any vulnerabilities the current system has. [...] There is a third kind of hacker known as a grey hat who hacks with good intentions but at times without permission.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat_(computer_security)

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Post by agsnu »

ajaimk wrote: post #62
GekkePrutser wrote: post #38

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> (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still) Wow you get ads even when you never connected it to the internet? That's really user hostile design. If I get a tv it'll be LG anyway because they do real OLED, not that Qled stuff that Samsung does.

Sadly, Samsung is leapfrogging LG with QD OLED :-( Which is going to be better technology (brighter colors with OLED blacks) Owner of 2 LG OLEDs

Sony is shipping the Samsung QD OLED panels in their Bravia range as well, if that's any consolation
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