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Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#31
Yes! I’ve bought many for my old work as we don’t allow smart tvs.

I bought the Panasonics and never had any issues.

https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-video-solutions/profession...

Im sure there are other companies. Im on my phone so can’t research. Look for “digital displays” instead of tv.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#33

Just don't ever give it the wifi password. Drive the TV from a PS4/PS4, xbox series X or home theatre PC. Use the youtube/netflix/amazon video/whatever client software on those platforms. I have a thousand times more confidence that microsoft or sony will keep their operating system patched and free from zero days than some random OS on a TV. And at least they're big enough that their telemetry and data collection pr…

You may need to explicitly opt out somehow or connect the tv to a dummy network that blocks all traffic. I am having trouble finding the source on google again but I remember reading about some tv manufacturers automatically scanning for and connecting to open internet connections to update and upload telemetry data even when no Wi-Fi network was provided.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

> As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. Do these TVs start up and boot directly into the selected input for something like an Apple TV, or do you have to go to extra hoops when it starts up to switch to your desired input? I'd actually be perfectly happy with a smart TV that's disconnected if it never throws its UI in my face wh…

I have a relatively new smart TV that I’ve never connected to anything and when I turn on my Apple TV with the remote it goes straight to Apple’s interface

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#35
It's one of the things that doesn't make sense anymore, like cars with manual transmission. Smarts in smart TV might cost $25 per unit, but OEMs get paid for streaming service placements on remote / home screen and a cut of revenue if users sign up. Even without streaming functionality, TV would still need some smarts to display tuner/inputs/settings UI and it's cheaper to develop Android apps than go custom route. Plus even users who don't use smart functionality much like software updates and launching Netflix directly from TV remote.

So just get a TV based on features and don't connect to WiFi if you are not interested in smart functionality. Think of all the money you are saving by buying a high volume consumer product rather than a commercial display that goes for at least twice more.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#36

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Don't give it WiFi credentials. (I've got a 5-year-old Samsung that's never connected to any network and it works fine.)

How do you then get the software update, to fix buffer overflows while decoding the video stream? (ok, most TV vendors won't bother to fix and most video sources ate somewhat trusatable not to exploit ... especially as an exploit can't do much unless it is connected to a network)

You could just update once in a while then unplug again.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#37

Rtings maintains a list of ad-free TVs. This isn't the same as smart-free, but maybe that's what some people want: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/ads-in-smart-tv (The ones with a "10" in the ad-free column.) The often-given advice of "just don't connect it to the internet" is viable only sometimes. My TV shipped with some missing features that were enabled after a software update. Perhaps plug it in, update the soft…

Another option if you have good control over your router is to put the TV and other smart devices on a special subnet or vlan and only occasionally give it internet access for updates, etc. Maybe there's a good DNS-based ad blocker you could run on its vlan and nuke all of its ad and spy traffic too.

This actually seems like a good market opportunity for yet another home device, a router with aggressive spyware and ad mitigation that's made to explicitly connect all your smart gadgets and untrusted devices that phone home.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

> (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

Wow you get ads even when you never connected it to the internet? That's really user hostile design.

If I get a tv it'll be LG anyway because they do real OLED, not that Qled stuff that Samsung does.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

+1 one day I got tired of my Vizio tv's "smarts" being the school dunce. Some of it was on the app developers (Eg Amazon app ran terribly on my TV), so I bought a chromecast google tv thing and it's completely revitalized my tv .

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#40

Rtings maintains a list of ad-free TVs. This isn't the same as smart-free, but maybe that's what some people want: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/ads-in-smart-tv (The ones with a "10" in the ad-free column.) The often-given advice of "just don't connect it to the internet" is viable only sometimes. My TV shipped with some missing features that were enabled after a software update. Perhaps plug it in, update the soft…

It's not the same at all, smart tvs can still send tracking data home about what you're viewing etc. I would not want either.
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