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Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #269

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At first I thought he was just misinformed and tried to politely correct them, but now I see that they really just try to provoke people and using arguments of similar structures to the ones caring so much about displaying the Confederate Flag "because it's part of their American history".

Yes, obviously because I disagree with your word banning I must be one of those confederate flag waving rednecks. It would be impossible for me to be a lifelong liberal voter with a track record of donating to liberal causes, a certificate in LGBTQ studies and a history of activism on a variety of issues. Sensible people can have sensible disagreements. Jumping to insulting people who disagree with you and tarring th…

You keep spreading false facts and when disproved, just jump on to false logic: You're claiming I'm insulting you, but how? By pointing out the fact that much like people who'd argue it's fine to display the confederate flag because it's large part of american history regardless of the bad things associated with it or how it makes black people feel?

Are you insulted by comparison of argument structure? Good, perhaps that'll help you see how black people might feel when they're faced with people like you, who insist on using terms that would have never coined if black people weren't an underrepresented minority in the software industry.

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #263

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> I think you might be the one lacking the historical background. Blacklist comes from King Henry and his list of political enemies. 1. You seem to assume that historical background is synonymous with "words first origin". By historical background I meant to refer to not being fully aware of just how much racism toward black Americans was and is still present everywhere. I say so as a non-American myself. It's not pr…

Forgive me but instead of bouncing between threads I'm just going to condense to this one. Yes, racism is real. Racism has been a part of history. Racism still exists today. What does the word "Blacklist" have to do with that? It's not about black people, it's not suggesting we should do anything to black people. We can all agree there are racist words - but why is "blacklist" one of them? Is "blacklight" a racist te…

> it's not suggesting we should do anything to black people

Should I provide you with a list of racial slurs that do not suggest to do something to a minority?

> "Yellow" means caution or slow in most contexts. It's the color of safety vests and caution signs. Should Asians take offense? What about native peoples

I'm sure you can educate yourself with the reasons why semaphores are colored the way they are. Such reasoning do not hold for blacklist and whitelist. Also you do realize that Asian people and Native Americans do not identify as Yellow or Red, right?

Black people do identify as such, and labeling white and black as allow/reject would have never made so popular if black people weren't so under represented in the software industry in the first place, so yes, lack of inclusion in the first place is the racial influence that allowed these terms to become popular in the software industry, and now that people are trying to change that with a better term. Again, language is a dynamic thing, embrace that.

I don't blame white men for introducing these terms early into software development. One cannot be fully aware of the weight their words carry, but language is a dynamic creature, and should adapt for all kind of reason. You have a group that you want to include and is affected by a term that's triggering for them, there is an alternative that's just as short and pass it's meaning better (allow-list, reject-list), and sill you seem to argue against replacing it with nothing but "it's original usage was not racial"

> This blacklist (and "master") nonsense is based on a fake story about the term that doesn't hold up under scrutiny

The only fake story so far is your story about "King Henry and his enemies". You're doing a great effort to enforce terms that have no advantage in terms of semantics and clear disadvantages when it comes to inclusion, but now that I see that you'd support even terms such as master/slave it's quite clear you don't really care about the historical background at all.

> Atheists were persecuted for a long time in history (as were many smaller religious groups) because they were considered "offensive".

Dude, you're comparing persecution of minorities (atheist) due to who they are and their beliefs to... replacing one term for another so that you can make a minority group feel more included.

> You can't create a lie and then demand conformance to that lie How is "King Henry and his enemies"? I'm still waiting to hear a better version of the story, surely you didn't just say that I'm "the one lacking the historical background" for no reason, did you?

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #285

Is there a way to do something complementary to this? To curate a list of websites that have valuable information on some topic / domain, and have those results raised first?

Some search engines support this, like Kagi.

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #35

I've posted this before, but you can achieve the same with uBlock Origin static filters alone without having to install any additional extensions. For example: To block results from specific domains on Google or DDG: google.*##.g:has(a[href*="thetopsites.com"]) duckduckgo.*##.results > div:has(a[href*="thetopsites.com"]) And it's even possible to target an element's text content with a `:has-text(/regex/)` selector:…

I really like this solution, but FYI it blocks suffixes, adding gram.com blocks instagram.com, facebookgram.com, etc.

Check out this guide on attribute selectors on MDN for some options to finetune: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Attribute_s...

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #58
post #39

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From their usage panel, I do 50-200 research per day. In 10 days my usage cost is estimated at 11.69$. It look like each query cost 1.25$ to Kagi. I don't want to be conscientious of the cost of my search usage, I fear it will inconsciously reduce my search usage and access to knowledge.

> It look like each query cost 1.25$ to Kagi. Correction: they're saying 80 searches cost them ~1$. >Why does Kagi cost $10/month? >Our proposed price is dictated by the fact that search has a non zero cost. With other search engines, advertisers cover this cost. But it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches. >Someone searching 8 times a day would perform about 240 searches a month, costing us $3. An average Kagi b…

From Kagi usage panel:

Date-search count-generated cost

>Jun 10, 2022 90 $1.12

They show conflicting numbers.

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #39

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From their usage panel, I do 50-200 research per day. In 10 days my usage cost is estimated at 11.69$. It look like each query cost 1.25$ to Kagi. I don't want to be conscientious of the cost of my search usage, I fear it will inconsciously reduce my search usage and access to knowledge.

> I don't want to be conscientious of the cost of my search usage, I fear it will inconsciously reduce my search usage and access to knowledge. Sure, but this whole adventure won't last very long if the company loses money even on paying customers. If your usage costs them about $30 a month but you only pay $10, who will pay the remaining $20? Someone has to finance your access to knowledge in the end...

A lot of services operate like that. France ISP offer unlimited data with very low price, because they know the average usage, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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> I don't want to be conscientious of the cost of my search usage, I fear it will inconsciously reduce my search usage and access to knowledge. Sure, but this whole adventure won't last very long if the company loses money even on paying customers. If your usage costs them about $30 a month but you only pay $10, who will pay the remaining $20? Someone has to finance your access to knowledge in the end...

Correct, we are betting that avg user will cost us less than $10 in the future. Our current userbase is skewing towards HN - heavy usage. If that does not happen, we will have to change the price. Cost per search is unlikely to (significantly) change without (significantly) jeopardizing the quality of results we are known for.

Most of my queries through the day aim a few hundred of website - programming docs- I wouldn't mind if Kagi automatically chose my lenses(current one are too limited) if it reduce research cost.

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From their usage panel, I do 50-200 research per day. In 10 days my usage cost is estimated at 11.69$. It look like each query cost 1.25$ to Kagi. I don't want to be conscientious of the cost of my search usage, I fear it will inconsciously reduce my search usage and access to knowledge.

Sorry, how did you find that usage panel? I'm on my phone and I'm just not seeing it. Nevermind. Looks like you have to have a subscription to see usage stats.

https://kagi.com/settings?p=consumption

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #317

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>Wrong. A list of blocked processes? that's the same meaning. the processes are blocked from proceeding >No it's not. If you don't know what "blacklist" means, you can pick up any dictionary from the 1700s and later and get a definition that's not what glean means >Wrong >No it's not why are you taking this confrontational tone? it's unpleasant and doesn't help your case

>that's the same meaning No it's not. Blocked processes and blacklisted processes are two very different things. >that's not what glean means No one said that's what glean means.

I'm talking about how easy it is to intuit [glean] a word meaning. you missed this. that's okay

Re: uBlacklist – Block specific sites from appearing in Google search results

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post #317

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>that's the same meaning No it's not. Blocked processes and blacklisted processes are two very different things. >that's not what glean means No one said that's what glean means.

I'm talking about how easy it is to intuit [glean] a word meaning. you missed this. that's okay

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