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Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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Honestly I'm surprised it's as low as 90%. What's the rest? The Samsung browser? From my experience using Firefox on Android, very few websites care about compatibility with it.

The Samsung browser is a Chromium wrapper. Some people dismiss wrappers around Safari on iOS, although I think there are more important things to worry about than exactly which rendering engine gets used.

Not really, since this means that if there's a defect in it you have no workaround.

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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I am struggling to get my arms round this I mean, it's not actually about the browser, but let's ignore that. Companies that sell phones choose to install a particular OS. Apple's choice is obvious, for others (99.9%) it's a version of Android. The vast majority of those choose to use Google's ecosystem with its Playstore. Much as I can understand the sentiment, I can't see how it equates to a stranglehold. If others…

On iOS, it is about the browser, as Apple is acting anti-competitive by not allowing any other browser engines but their own. Browser makers can't compete with Safari by making a faster browser for example, because they won't be able to deploy it on iOS device. All applications go through the App Store, and the App Store forbids any browser engines not made by Apple. Regarding the app stores, it seems like lawmakers…

Does that include consoles and smart TVs?

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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Is there a mobile browser for iOS that supports uBlock Origin?

On my Laptop, I get no YouTube ads. It seems uBlock Origin removes them.

On my iPad, I get YouTube ads in an unbearable frequency.

It seems there is no solution for this?

How is the situation on Android?

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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On Android I can install Firefox, Edge, other versions of these browsers from f-droid, and many other browsers, all with their own engines. On iPhones, afaik, you can only get Safari, or other browsers that are just a thin wrapper around Safari. That is a huge difference and I hope they know that.

Ironically, safari mostly only exists because of this restriction. If iOS allowed real browsers, only chrome would have users.

Extremely unlikely: browsers are not banned to use their own engine on macOS, and yet Safari is dominant there with around 60% market share.

The fact that people think that tells a lot about the quality of Safari: "if people could use the real Chrome, they would all ditch Safari right away". That may lead you to wonder why Safari is so bad, considering the infinite funds Apple has? Perhaps is it because Apple has been able to underinvest in it for the last ten years because of the lack of competition?

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post #33

Is there a mobile browser for iOS that supports uBlock Origin? On my Laptop, I get no YouTube ads. It seems uBlock Origin removes them. On my iPad, I get YouTube ads in an unbearable frequency. It seems there is no solution for this? How is the situation on Android?

> It seems there is no solution for this?

Get YouTube Premium?

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

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An investigation that will lead nowhere seeing as there is no alternative.

This is what happens when the tech press is cheered on for laughing off anyone that dares to compete with iOS and Android.

Yes, I'm still very bitter about the demise of WindowsPhone and PalmOS.

Had they been championed a little more the mobile OS landscape would have been much more vibrant and exciting.

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post #33

Is there a mobile browser for iOS that supports uBlock Origin? On my Laptop, I get no YouTube ads. It seems uBlock Origin removes them. On my iPad, I get YouTube ads in an unbearable frequency. It seems there is no solution for this? How is the situation on Android?

On Android you can install Firefox and then uBlock Origin as an add-on.

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

#38

Will this set a precedent for car infotainment systems or even TV extra's? When is a device with a general purpose cpu something that can be upgraded or modified with other software and when isnt it?

2 companies control the actions of 4-10 billion devices and through them the access of billions of people

no car company has that reach. no video game platform has that reach. hence they're not held to the same standard

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

#39

Honestly I'm surprised it's as low as 90%. What's the rest? The Samsung browser? From my experience using Firefox on Android, very few websites care about compatibility with it.

It might be Xiaomi and other chinese maker phones coming with a Chromium based default browser

Re: Apple and Google’s mobile browser ‘stranglehold’ may face UK investigation

#40

What are you going to do about it? A symbolic fine? There are no alternatives.

Requiring them to stop banning competing browser engines? That's the number one remedy considered by the CMA.

You should read the study, it's very insightful.

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