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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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eveningcoffee wrote: post #580
FooBarWidget wrote: post #426

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Yes with equal dose before the third dose it's less effective, but why would one compare the two vaccines based on number of dosis to get effective? Back when there were fewer variants, the Janssen vaccine only required 1 dose; was Janssen "better" than mRNA, and did "mRNA vaccines not work very well"? Here in the Netherlands, once Omikron arrived, the Dutch CDC advised everyone to get a booster (third dose). Nobody…

Against what are these efficacy comparisons? Omicron? Other variant? I have not paid attention to COVID-19 recently and I recall that Chinese vaccines were problematic against Omicron. If it is so efficient then why the hell they have this security theater in China?

The paper says specifically that the data is for Omicron.

Not sure why you call it "security theater". The lockdowns in China work, even against Omicron, even if it has become way more difficult. Shenyang, Guilin, Shenzhen, Guangzhou all defeated omicron without the Shanghai mess.

As for why they don't push vaccines more, that I don't know. Possibly because they are more cautious about vaccine side effects than we are. As I said, doctors in China recommend against getting vaccinated if you have other health problems. The same elderly in the Netherlands would just get a recommendation to get vaccinated because "vaccines are very safe", as we are officially told here.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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SkyMarshal wrote: post #575
hungryhobo wrote: post #505

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i disagree, there's absolute nothing preventing an ordinary Chinese from taking a exam and become someone that actually has influence over domestic policies. Elections aren't the only ways a legitimate government can be formed.

You wouldn't be able to make any real policy changes unless you made it all the way up into to the 25-member Politburu (or maybe even its 7-member Standing Committee) [1]. All the other ~90 million CCP members are tasked with implementing the policies made there. You might be able to become a social policy research professor or something, or where you study Communist/Marxist/Leninist/Maoist/Jinpingist/etc thought and…

Correct that you have to climb up. But isn't it fine that the Chinese have a different philosophy on governance? They don't want just anyone to be able to make nationwide changes on a whim. They want leaders to prove themselves first by working for 30 years. This is meritocracy. They see the possibility of someone like Trump getting elected, as a huge risk. I think we should allow earth to have diversity in governance systems.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by eveningcoffee »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #581
eveningcoffee wrote: post #580

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Against what are these efficacy comparisons? Omicron? Other variant? I have not paid attention to COVID-19 recently and I recall that Chinese vaccines were problematic against Omicron. If it is so efficient then why the hell they have this security theater in China?

The paper says specifically that the data is for Omicron. Not sure why you call it "security theater". The lockdowns in China work , even against Omicron, even if it has become way more difficult. Shenyang, Guilin, Shenzhen, Guangzhou all defeated omicron without the Shanghai mess. As for why they don't push vaccines more, that I don't know. Possibly because they are more cautious about vaccine side effects than we a…

I call it theater because if the vaccine is as good as Western ones, you really do not need these draconian measures.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by FooBarWidget »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #583
FooBarWidget wrote: post #581

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The paper says specifically that the data is for Omicron. Not sure why you call it "security theater". The lockdowns in China work , even against Omicron, even if it has become way more difficult. Shenyang, Guilin, Shenzhen, Guangzhou all defeated omicron without the Shanghai mess. As for why they don't push vaccines more, that I don't know. Possibly because they are more cautious about vaccine side effects than we a…

I call it theater because if the vaccine is as good as Western ones, you really do not need these draconian measures.

I think you've got it backwards. Lockdowns existed before vaccines did. So people in China tend to think "you don't need vaccines (and risk side effects) when lockdowns work".

A similar notion existed in Taiwan until they got overwhelmed by Omicron. Lockdowns worked and they were able to keep COVID out of the island, so people weren't interested in vaccines hence low vaccination rates.

Western societies view lockdowns as draconian human rights violations, and don't take COVID very seriously relative to "freedom", but not all societies look at things that way. Chinese people are very afraid of COVID, much more so than westerners, and see lockdowns as an inconvenient but absolutely neccessary measure. Chinese society values responsibility more than freedom.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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zymhan wrote: post #58
nosianu wrote: post #34

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TSMC, Samsung are US companies? And what is wrong with Europe propping up a US company? You shifted the goal post from your original comment ("When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry?"). I showed you that the US is doing exactly that, and now you jump to some other argument.

They were talking about EU domestic production, I think, not the US. Therefore your reply is off-point.

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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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astrange wrote: post #521
qiskit wrote: post #451

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> The US and Germany are allies. An ally doesn't firebomb a nation, murder thousands of innocent people and forcibly occupy it. Germany is a vassal. > In fact, I believe “German” is the largest ancestry group in the US. Who cares? We are not a german nation. We are an anglo nation. Germans don't have much political power in the US. If they did, we would have been allied with germany during ww2.

Australia is an Anglo nation that thinks they're us. We're a German nation that thinks we're British. The state we occupied doesn't exist anymore unless you think we're going to re-invade Germany and Japan from our bases there.

> Australia is an Anglo nation that thinks they're us.

No. Australians think they are british.

> We're a German nation that thinks we're British.

No. We are an anglo nation. We speaking german right now? Don't think so.

> The state we occupied doesn't exist anymore unless you think we're going to re-invade Germany and Japan from our bases there.

Re-invade? For what? We already are occupying them.

Yours is the most bizarre and nonsensical comment I've read in a while.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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zymhan wrote: post #58
nosianu wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TSMC, Samsung are US companies? And what is wrong with Europe propping up a US company? You shifted the goal post from your original comment ("When will we ever learn to build up our domestic tech industry?"). I showed you that the US is doing exactly that, and now you jump to some other argument.

They were talking about EU domestic production, I think, not the US. Therefore your reply is off-point.

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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by throwaway29812 »

fritigern wrote: post #588
throwaway29812 wrote: post #573

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He left off "Putin and Xi are more trustworthy." That's what he is implying, just doesn't have the courage to come out and say it.

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pointless replies that add nothing to the discussion are typical of troll accounts, thanks for pointing that out with your own sh*tpost (very meta!)

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by throwaway2037 »

jimmydorry wrote: post #511
throwaway2037 wrote: post #507

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I assume you are talking about a parliamentary system? Yes, I also prefer it. It is even better if there is a good mix of parties in power -- Germany, Netherlands, etc. It seems like 5-10 parties in parliament forces a good amount of compromise, which results in the most progress possible. I prefer what is loosely termed as a "weak prime minister" where the coalition is multi-party, over a "strong prime minister" whe…

GP is probably referring to the electoral system itself: "first past the post" [1]. Essentially a winner take all style of voting which enforces a two-party system. E.g. In such a system, if a state has 50 seats and a party manages to win 24 of them (while the second place only wins 23 seats), that first party gets all 50 seats of representation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting

Dreadful. I don't understand the point of "first past the post" versus a (semi-)Presidential system. What is the _effective_ difference if the outcome is always two parties?

To be fair: My comment is mostly focused upon "Western" parliments, which includes two geographically non-Western places: Australia and New Zealand! If you look at the constant dominance of the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) in Japan... look _very_ closely... you realise there are many competing factions within the party. So LDP _acts_ like multiple parties and forces the Prime Minister to compromise to get things done. Not perfect, but many outsiders fail to understand this about the Japanese (national) political system.

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