> After police officers removed elderly Korean Americans from a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens — managers claimed the group overstayed their welcome, buying only coffee and french fries Before you judge McDonald’s… this is a thing in Asia. Talk privately to someone who works in a Shanghai Walmart, IKEA, and so on, and you will learn that massive groups of these freeloading aunties can shut down any business with a fr…
Since when job should be fun? Who cares they are rude? It's not like there is some law you must be nice to employee, especially if they are bothering you. Lived in China for years and yes, IKEA in Beijing is occupied by families enjoying bedrooms and living rooms, sleeping there, hanging there, but I've never seen it as issue and never seen any conflicts, that's just how it works there and I can understand these peop…
Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
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Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
There might be two separate assertions under discussion. One is that it is typically difficult in a suburb to get to a landmark destination (e.g. to the grocery store, to the gym, to a coffee shop, and to work) just by walking, without a car. This is true. At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind. It’s typically easier to go outside for a jog o…
> At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind. I have to disagree here. In the suburbs there is nowhere to go and nothing to discover. Walking around the city I see new people, restaurants or other businesses that I find interesting. The suburbs where I grew up were always the same thing.
Hence the title of the book The Geography of Nowhere:
> The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's Man-Made Landscape is a book written in 1993 by James Howard Kunstler exploring the effects of suburban sprawl, civil planning, and the automobile on American society and is an attempt to discover how and why suburbia has ceased to be a credible human habitat, and what society might do about it. Kunstler proposes that by reviving civic art and civic life, we will rediscover public virtue and a new vision of the common good: "The future will require us to build better places," Kunstler says, "or the future will belong to other people in other societies."
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am having a very hard time telling if this is scripted/ad-libbed or a real person. I hope it's a real person because it's wonderful.
I'm leaning toward scripted. It's a fairly easy set up for a joke. Like this sort of stuff, they're shorter than that segment but sort of the same idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9hRIjys4Qw
This is (allegedly?) a segment from the British documentary series Equinox, from the episode "Malltime":
* https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15434612/
* https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264241/
* https://tftsarchive.gla.ac.uk/vod/maindisplay/?mid=7203&nid=...
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox_(TV_programme)
So an actual person it seems.
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#44The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…
> Critics say that the road will simply attract more traffic, but the way in which it is managed means that traffic is dispersed and therefore means there is less congestion than your average motorway. What's the incentive for a UK construction talent agency to defend it? I don't actually grok any road traffic science aside from repeatedly seeing induced demand[0] mentioned; is there any truth in that? [0] https://en…
RAND Europe 2018 study for the UK Department for Transport, "Induced travel demand: an evidence review":
> The objective of this study was therefore to review the empirical evidence on induced demand, with a view to understanding the size of the effect and where and under what conditions it occurs. In practice, measured induced traffic effects will depend on the time period over which they are measured, the geographical area and whether short-run or long run effects, particularly on land use, are included. While the impact of background growth is not included in this review, empirical studies of induced travel need to control for background traffic growth, as well as traffic changing route (reassigned traffic).
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> The evidence reviewed in this study supports the findings of the SACTRA (1994) report that induced traffic does exist, though its size and significance is likely to vary in different circumstances. It was not possible to obtain any qualitative understanding about the composition of induced traffic in terms of new trips, redistributed trips, transfers between modes and trips associated with new developments. There remain wide variations in the quantitative evidence that make it difficult to draw conclusions about the magnitude of the impact of induced demand from road capacity improvements on the Strategic Road Network. However, we draw some tentative conclusions:
* https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/induced-travel-de...
* PDF: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
2021 follow-up, "Induced travel demand: analytical research":
* https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/induced-travel-de...
From the Netherlands:
> The increase in traffic volume that arises after opening of new road infrastructure, is often attributed to ‘induced demand’. The objective of this study is to provide empirically derived insights in this phenomenon, in the amount of induced demand and in the benefits that adding road infrastructure has for users. Based on multivariate analyses of detailed data in The Netherlands from 2000-2012, it is concluded that the amount of induced demand in total is relatively low and that the relatively large increase in traffic volume during peak hours on roads that were congested before adding lanes mainly has been caused by shifts in route and departure time. The benefits of the new infrastructure for users have been calculated in terms of savings of travel time and travel time reliability. Implications for cost-benefit analyses of road investments have been reviewed.
* https://doi.org/10.1016/j.trpro.2016.05.008
Huge amounts of academic literature on this.
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the streets are quiet, it’s really not fun to walk in neighborhoods where every house looks the same, and where there’s no visual variety. Personally I find a 15-minute walk in my suburban neighborhood feels much longer than a 15-minute walk in the town where my college was located. The other extremely irritating part is the completely ass-backwards design of suburban neighborhoods that makes walking to places…
How is it ass-backwards for a grocery store not to install a door and entrance for the custom use of a single household?
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are plenty of locations that actually have reasonable parks and so forth where a lot of people just don't want to walk outside for a decent chunk of the year.
Can you expand on this? Are you describing areas outside that people walk in? Or some other area?
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Critics say that the road will simply attract more traffic, but the way in which it is managed means that traffic is dispersed and therefore means there is less congestion than your average motorway. What's the incentive for a UK construction talent agency to defend it? I don't actually grok any road traffic science aside from repeatedly seeing induced demand[0] mentioned; is there any truth in that? [0] https://en…
> […] induced demand[0] mentioned; is there any truth in that? RAND Europe 2018 study for the UK Department for Transport, "Induced travel demand: an evidence review": > The objective of this study was therefore to review the empirical evidence on induced demand, with a view to understanding the size of the effect and where and under what conditions it occurs. In practice, measured induced traffic effects will depend…
-- Re-reading the blog, I just realized that they're referring to the managed lane system described in the first paragraph. Looking it up now, it does not look very effective. The 2013 study of the results of its implementation by the Texas A&M Transportation Institute gives a good introduction:
> The Katy Freeway Managed Lanes on I-10 in Houston became fully operational in 2009. The managed lane facility, also referred to as the Katy Tollway, is the first constructed managed lane project in Texas and the first variably priced operation in the state since the implementation of the QuickRide program on US 290 and I-10 HOV lanes in Houston more than 10 years ago. The four-lane facility, which was constructed within the center of the existing freeway, can be described as a "second-generation" managed lanes project that is more complex than earlier-generation HOV-to-HOT conversions.
I gather that the added lanes (four in every source I could find, but six according to the blog?) were intended to relieve congestion during peak hours, and that the managed lane system was used instead of a simple widening indeed to limit induced demand, through both tolls and HOV restrictions (incentivizing carpooling). But:
> Figure 4 shows that the daily traffic volumes on the managed lanes were fairly consistent from about 2001 through 2008, even during the construction period from 2004 through 2009. In 2009, after construction was complete, a dramatic increase in vehicle volume was observed, essentially doubling volumes over pre-expansion levels.
They also note that "isolated sections of congestion have emerged on the GPLs [general-purpose lanes] despite the increase in general-purpose capacity provided by the freeway expansion" and that "off-peak volumes are growing at a rapid rate on the managed lanes". Still, they manage to arrive at the conclusion that "the project is achieving its stated goals".
https://library.ctr.utexas.edu/Presto/content/Detail.aspx?ct...
PDF: https://tti.tamu.edu/documents/0-6688-1.pdf
-- It's possible that latent instead of induced demand was the cause, though. From another group from the institute:
> Since its reconstruction, the improved capacity of IH 10 has been offset by latent traffic demand from commuters in the northwest and southwest utilizing IH 10 via Beltway 8 as an alternative to the heavy congestion on US 290 and US 59. This trend has been exacerbated since construction began on US 290 in 2011.
https://mobility.tamu.edu/mip/congestion.php#houston
PDF: https://mobility.tamu.edu/mip/corridors-pdfs/houston/HOU-22-...
-- There's not much more research beyond that--various news sources have cited traffic monitoring data as proof of continually worsening conditions. This 2015 piece from a think tank links to several local news articles and gives its own analysis:
> We extracted these data from Transtar (Houston’s official traffic tracking data source) for two segments of the Katy Freeway for the years 2011 through 2014. They show that the morning commute has increased by 25 minutes (or 30 percent) and the afternoon commute has increased by 23 minutes (or 55 percent).
https://cityobservatory.org/reducing-congestion-katy-didnt/
Though, years after the lanes opened, that might just be population growth rather than induced demand. There's also a confounder in the US 290 construction, which didn't finish until 2017, but scrubbing through the TranStar data[1] I don't see a noticeable drop in congestion. But the talent agency post is from 2020; I still don't see why they feel the need to defend the project.
[1]https://traffic.houstontranstar.org/hist/traveltimes_web_all...
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More links mostly for myself
Portal for commuters: https://www.hctra.org/KatyManagedLanes
US and Texas Departments of Transportation on the concept of managed lanes: https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/managelanes_primer/ https://www.txdot.gov/driver/managed-lanes/managed-lanes.htm...
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#48The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…
A. you are surrounded by aliens (cars) who look at you strangely for not riding a car B. There's not a place to hangout and talk to people in the street
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#49[1] https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/loneliness-an-epidem...
Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers
#50The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…
I imagine people in very hot climates appreciate being able to exercise in air conditioning, and you can also schedule it with others (say, every Tuesday and Thursday at 10am) regardless of inclement weather. But I would guess a lot of it has been supplanted by going to the gym (there are a lot more gyms, at least around here, than there were a couple decades ago).
I agree about Texas. When I stayed a night in Amarillo I was astounded not only by the fact that everyone there drives a giant tank, but that there weren't any sidewalks, even though my hotel was within walkable distance of various stores, etc.