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Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

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Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

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post #147

"bro" puns are pretty non-sexed. Women make "bro" jokes too, because they're funny and no one should take them seriously.

Be careful about the term "should", it implies a lot of assumptions that are probably not shared by your audience.

Mainly, I assume that if I tell someone that "bro" puns are just jokes, they will stop thinking that I'm being serious.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Crunk" literally means being intoxicated from both marijuana and alcohol simultaneously. There's no way this posting was serious about the amount of partying. If one reads carefully, the ad does claim that non-bros are welcome to apply, but I doubt that anybody else has read that far.

I don't know where you got your "literal" definition but that is certainly not the colloquial definition where I come from. It just means general inebriation without implying any particular substances ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+crunk ). Also, if you read the post it says "at least once a month". Personally I don't really consider that an excessive amount of partying but I guess everyone has…

If we're going to cite sources, (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crunk), but to be honest, it's always meant "chronic (high on marijuana) and drunk" here in the Pacific Northwest.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Crunk" literally means being intoxicated from both marijuana and alcohol simultaneously. There's no way this posting was serious about the amount of partying. If one reads carefully, the ad does claim that non-bros are welcome to apply, but I doubt that anybody else has read that far.

I don't know where you got your "literal" definition but that is certainly not the colloquial definition where I come from. It just means general inebriation without implying any particular substances ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+crunk ). Also, if you read the post it says "at least once a month". Personally I don't really consider that an excessive amount of partying but I guess everyone has…

The original definition of crunk is "smoking chronic (marijuana) and getting drunk", but it has also become a term for getting "crazy drunk".

Either way, it seems like a bad idea to use this word in a job posting.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#165

Woman programmer here: I automatically assumed they were looking for college aged men. "Brogrammer," is not a unisex term, no matter how they try to spin it.

Male programmer in his thirties here: I automatically assumed they were looking for assholes.

That seems pretty clear.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#166
post #48
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Perhaps, but more than that it's bloody stupid.

Indeed it would certainly make me not want to apply to the position. In my experience it is hard enough to maintain adequate professionalism in the 20 something caffeine crazed all nighter atmosphere of a startup. If it can't show a modicum of it in its official communication, I can already see the scenes in the office. Also: I would try to hire flowgrammers because you know they are always in the zone. EDIT: Make th…

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Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#167
It depends. Whether a term is sexist depends on intention, as the term itself is ambiguous in meaning. One of the meanings is sexist, another meaning is an oxymoronic contraction of words; the kind of language joke hackers are supposed to enjoy.

If we attempt to spin things in a positive light, it may be assumed that the intention was to describe the culture in their startup, which involves jokes around such terms as 'brogrammers'.

If we attempt to spin things in a negative light, they are obliviously sexist.

The truth may be anywhere in between, but the truth doesn't matter: only reception does. And it isn't being received well.

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