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Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by kramerger »

whimsicalism wrote: post #16

I think leaving en masse from a lecture/speech that you ideologically disagree with is likely one of the few permissible forms of protest in a university context.

Agreed, but the same group also do this

> Some Chinese international students at universities in the U.S. and Canada have reported anti-Beijing speech to university authorities as a form of anti-Chinese racism, or they reported Uyghurs and Chinese dissidents on campus to Chinese diplomatic officials.

Can you have freedom of speach while trying to take it away from others?

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by logicchains »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #35
t-3 wrote: post #21

What do you expect people to do? Abroad in a nation and culture which is quite hostile and dismissive of your own, most people would tend to be standoffish about anything that could be perceived as a slight against their home. American culture is and has been extremely biased against China, and not always with proper justification. Did anyone really expect to win over Chinese students with a harsh, aggressive, and, f…

Ah yes, the casual defense of cultural genocide based on the fact that other governments have done bad things too. And seriously, when tf did criticizing the obviously malicious actions of a government become racist.

> Ah yes, the casual defense of cultural genocide based on the fact that other governments have done bad things too.

It's not cultural genocide. Forcibly sterilising people of a specific ethnicity is literal genocide.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by barry-cotter »

teebs wrote: post #10
cjensen wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally speaking, the University admin cannot do anything to Chinese students who boo and walk out, and also cannot do anything to white supremacists who boo and walk out. In the US, Students have First Amendment rights to express themselves. The critical point here is that by walking out they did not prevent any speakers from exercising their own First Amendment rights. It does not mean we have to respect them for t…

That's not how the First Amendment works. Cornell University is a private organization and it can choose not to do business with people if it wants to, provided that it's not breaking other laws by doing so. Students get suspended or expelled for speech all the time. (I would guess public universities can too - the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." - not sure where its boundaries are drawn though.)

Cornell isn’t a fully private university. I really doubt it can do any more censorship than a fully public university.

> Although it's an Ivy League university, chartered as a private institution, it includes undergraduate colleges and schools that receive some funding from New York State. They are sometimes called state contract colleges. The state subsidy results in lower tuition for students who have New York State residency and are enrolled in these colleges or schools

https://cornelladmissions.happyfox.com/kb/article/217-is-cor...

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by logicchains »

deltaonefour wrote: post #37
jjcc wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The brainwashed cannot know they are brainwashed. So they feeling might be in the other way: They know the truth and you are brainwashed. I bet you and many HNer's won't be able to understand what I said. There is another saying: The new version of Nazi will be reincarnated as anti-Nazi which might or might not be true. Human has nature cognitive defects caused by the evolution not being able to catch up the pace of…

Both are brainwashed. Basically all Americans are completely incapable of sympathizing in any way with Chinese perspective. Nobody agrees with the Chinese government but at the same time basically no one is also able to explain the reasoning from the Chinese perspective. The lack of the ability to disagree while at the same time understanding the Chinese perspective indicates a huge amount of bias. It's very easy to…

>What motivated them? Likely he will give simpleton answers like "power corrupts" or dictatorships are evil without ever understanding the complexity of the situation.

The motivation is very simple: the Uighurs started a separatist movement, and there's little the Chinese government hates more than separatist movements. Now, many governments in the world don't like separatist movements, but you don't see the Spanish government putting Catalonians in concentration camps and forcibly sterilising them.

It's not brainwashed to believe forcibly sterilising people is unacceptable, it's basic Judeo-Christian/humanist values.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by mise_en_place »

gattilorenz wrote: post #40
mise_en_place wrote: post #38

While I do sympathize with this student, you have to be careful when criticizing a hostile government you are a citizen of. Only in the United States do we have such protections in place to prevent the government from retaliating against the individual for voicing a critical opinion.

> In the United States, and many other countries, we have such protections in place to prevent the government from retaliating against the individual for voicing a critical opinion. The same cannot be said for countries like China, Russia, Belarus, etc. There, I fixed it for you. But it's also naive to think that the government cannot make your life impossible if it's really motivated to do so, even in the US, despit…

Well, that's what the US is currently weaponizing the USD to do. Like when they froze Russia out of the global financial system, but France and Germany kept paying them for natgas and oil.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by pharmakom »

spacehunt wrote: post #39
gumby wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, what? So Jim Crow or Apartheid were not racist because they were promulgated by governments?

No, it's more like this: if you criticize certain policies of the Chinese government: if you are not ethnic Chinese: you are racist else: you are treasonous

Remove the negation from the else please, otherwise LGTM

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by notahacker »

intunderflow wrote: post #3

This reminds me of the time a university student in Australia was expelled for criticising the Chinese Government: https://www.wsj.com/articles/australian-student-critical-of-... https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1256505548314296320/ph...

Reminds me of a time the comments section of my university's student newspaper practically melted down with angry criticism from a mixture of Chinese students and random Chinese people who had read Chinese social media when a student wrote a not-particularly-great but also pretty mild article about not trusting Chinese foreign policy.

(The writer of the original article became a well regarded columnist at the FT)

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by fxtentacle »

I know this way of thinking is horrible, but let me play devil's advocate for a while:

What if the CCP puts Uyghurs into prison simply because the majority of Chinese citizens want Uyghurs in prison?

1. That would explain the behavior in the article.

2. That would explain why studies report that people in China feel like a democracy. Their government works in the way that benefits the majority of its people, so for some definitions of it, that would be a "democracy".

3. That would explain why some presumably Chinese citizens vandalize posters criticizing Jinping or the CCP. Try showing up with a "Trump is an idiot" poster at a MAGA rally ... and you'll see the same effect.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

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Post by throw93232 »

mise_en_place wrote: post #38

While I do sympathize with this student, you have to be careful when criticizing a hostile government you are a citizen of. Only in the United States do we have such protections in place to prevent the government from retaliating against the individual for voicing a critical opinion.

Is it allowed now to talk about laptop from hell? US is a joke!
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