Live data from Hacker News

Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

axios.com

11–20 of 198 posts

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#11
post #8

Quoted post unavailable.

100% Agree

Then they should move on to those with an African connection, after that I think anyone with connections to SAE. Indian and Pakistani next. After that the French, once accomplished they can start to roll out exclusions to the rest of Europe. Then the Brits, man the Scottish and Irish in particular, trouble makers them lot. With any luck in a decade or two America can be purely American.

/s

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#13
post #7
post #4

Hmmm, if a group of white supremacists booed someone talking about their experience of racism, then got up and walked out, what would the administration’s response been? If that group then sent an email saying that they left because they did not feel comfortable and were subjected to hostility by the surrounding audience, would that be given a moment of respect? What if that organisation was giving large amounts of f…

Legally speaking, the University admin cannot do anything to Chinese students who boo and walk out, and also cannot do anything to white supremacists who boo and walk out. In the US, Students have First Amendment rights to express themselves. The critical point here is that by walking out they did not prevent any speakers from exercising their own First Amendment rights. It does not mean we have to respect them for t…

That's not really correct. The First Amendment doesn't necessarily prevent private schools such as Cornell from disciplining students for legal speech. This is one area where public universities are generally superior.

https://campusfreespeechguide.pen.org/the-law/the-basics/

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#14
post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally speaking, the University admin cannot do anything to Chinese students who boo and walk out, and also cannot do anything to white supremacists who boo and walk out. In the US, Students have First Amendment rights to express themselves. The critical point here is that by walking out they did not prevent any speakers from exercising their own First Amendment rights. It does not mean we have to respect them for t…

That's not how the First Amendment works. Cornell University is a private organization and it can choose not to do business with people if it wants to, provided that it's not breaking other laws by doing so. Students get suspended or expelled for speech all the time. (I would guess public universities can too - the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." - not sure where its boundaries are drawn though.)

Private universities can be subject to free speech rules: states could mandate them, and if they take federal grants or otherwise do business with the federal government they could be subject to additional rules. See https://campusfreespeechguide.pen.org/the-law/the-basics/

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#15
post #12
post #8

Quoted post unavailable.

Either this is sarcasm or an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence.

Not the OP but that's what will most probably happen in case of a USA vs China conflict, the writing is on the wall, just look at what the reaction to anything Russia-related has been in the West during this latest war.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#17
post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally speaking, the University admin cannot do anything to Chinese students who boo and walk out, and also cannot do anything to white supremacists who boo and walk out. In the US, Students have First Amendment rights to express themselves. The critical point here is that by walking out they did not prevent any speakers from exercising their own First Amendment rights. It does not mean we have to respect them for t…

That's not how the First Amendment works. Cornell University is a private organization and it can choose not to do business with people if it wants to, provided that it's not breaking other laws by doing so. Students get suspended or expelled for speech all the time. (I would guess public universities can too - the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." - not sure where its boundaries are drawn though.)

A public university is restricted by the first amendment. That doesn't mean they can never have speech limitations, but political speech is very heavily protected.

Cornell is a private university, but it does receive significant government money and some of it's underling colleges are state funded. If it was acting in a way as to obviously disrespect the first amendment, that funding could be revoked.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#18

I think leaving en masse from a lecture/speech that you ideologically disagree with is likely one of the few permissible forms of protest in a university context.

It’s certainly better than many alternatives; however, universities are not meant to be places of ideological dogmatism; a better response to a lecture you disagree with is an open, rational debate/discussion.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#19
post #8

Quoted post unavailable.

100% Agree Then they should move on to those with an African connection, after that I think anyone with connections to SAE. Indian and Pakistani next. After that the French, once accomplished they can start to roll out exclusions to the rest of Europe. Then the Brits, man the Scottish and Irish in particular, trouble makers them lot. With any luck in a decade or two America can be purely American. /s

Ok this is classic hyperbole, but to pretend like 0 Chinese students are uses by the CCP, just like I'm sure the CIA has done similar tactics before would be naive.

Re: Chinese students at Cornell “taunt” Uyghur classmate

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% Agree Then they should move on to those with an African connection, after that I think anyone with connections to SAE. Indian and Pakistani next. After that the French, once accomplished they can start to roll out exclusions to the rest of Europe. Then the Brits, man the Scottish and Irish in particular, trouble makers them lot. With any luck in a decade or two America can be purely American. /s

Ok this is classic hyperbole, but to pretend like 0 Chinese students are uses by the CCP, just like I'm sure the CIA has done similar tactics before would be naive.

Let's be real, I fully expect for almost EVERY nation to be doing this - but it doesn't make a ban based on race alone any less of a terrible idea.
Post reply on HN