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Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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> Anderson, sitting in for a day, observes the largely male population commenting on ladies’ dress and appearance, reading the paper, and, in one case, getting served coffee by a woman acting as mall “wife.”

Wut

Couldn’t find references on the Web… what is a mall wife?

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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This is a bizarre take. Most suburbs I’ve seen is actually amazing for walking in. Sure if there is no sidewalk it sucks, but if you walk where people live usually there is a nice walking path, minimal traffic, lots of families around. I’ve lived in dense urban centers and walking can suck with the crowded sidewalks, always having to cross streets with cars, the noise. People aren’t walking in malls because of car cu…

This is true in certain American suburbs, but definitely not all. Older and less affluent suburbs, in particular, often have abysmal walking infrastructure. I'm not sure this fits the prototypical suburb -- but I have spent a lot of time in southern Texas, and look at this amazing pedestrian infrastructure: https://www.google.com/maps/@26.1413614,-97.9581625,3a,75y,3... They recently (past ~5 years) installed new ADA…

I mean that area almost looks rural - if you go over to where the houses are they actually have some sidewalks.

The street names also imply it’s rural or was rural very recently.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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> After police officers removed elderly Korean Americans from a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens — managers claimed the group overstayed their welcome, buying only coffee and french fries

Before you judge McDonald’s… this is a thing in Asia. Talk privately to someone who works in a Shanghai Walmart, IKEA, and so on, and you will learn that massive groups of these freeloading aunties can shut down any business with a free place to sit for hours. They will buy as close to nothing as possible, are rude to employees, and are not averse to clotting up a business for half the day or more.

Sounds vaguely comical but it’s severely not fun if you’re an employee or prospective paying customer who just wants to park the kids, grab a bowl of noodles and rest your dogs for a few minutes.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…

This is a bizarre take. Most suburbs I’ve seen is actually amazing for walking in. Sure if there is no sidewalk it sucks, but if you walk where people live usually there is a nice walking path, minimal traffic, lots of families around. I’ve lived in dense urban centers and walking can suck with the crowded sidewalks, always having to cross streets with cars, the noise. People aren’t walking in malls because of car cu…

I think the point about suburbs promoting car dependence over walking is more about walking somewhere

Sure, it can be nice to go for a walk around the neighborhood, but mostly only in a loop, there is no destination. One of the reasons I moved where I live is due to the walkability. I'm technically in the suburbs of a medium sized city, but happen to live close enough to a small retail center that I can walk to shop for groceries, get a hair cut, go to a pharmacy and many other things.

It's really nice to be prompted to go for a nice walk instead of hop in a car when I need to run an errand.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bizarre take. Most suburbs I’ve seen is actually amazing for walking in. Sure if there is no sidewalk it sucks, but if you walk where people live usually there is a nice walking path, minimal traffic, lots of families around. I’ve lived in dense urban centers and walking can suck with the crowded sidewalks, always having to cross streets with cars, the noise. People aren’t walking in malls because of car cu…

While the streets are quiet, it’s really not fun to walk in neighborhoods where every house looks the same, and where there’s no visual variety. Personally I find a 15-minute walk in my suburban neighborhood feels much longer than a 15-minute walk in the town where my college was located. The other extremely irritating part is the completely ass-backwards design of suburban neighborhoods that makes walking to places…

How is it ass-backwards for a grocery store not to install a door and entrance for the custom use of a single household?

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true in certain American suburbs, but definitely not all. Older and less affluent suburbs, in particular, often have abysmal walking infrastructure. I'm not sure this fits the prototypical suburb -- but I have spent a lot of time in southern Texas, and look at this amazing pedestrian infrastructure: https://www.google.com/maps/@26.1413614,-97.9581625,3a,75y,3... They recently (past ~5 years) installed new ADA…

I mean that area almost looks rural - if you go over to where the houses are they actually have some sidewalks. The street names also imply it’s rural or was rural very recently.

Yeah, I'm not sure the right terminology for the type of urban landscape it is.

There's uninterrupted development for a 30 mile stretch between McAllen and Harlingen, with densities ranging from suburban to exurban. So not quite typical American suburbia, but similar sprawl and car uber-dependence.

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For my wife its mostly about being able to walk in the air conditioning. Hot outside

There are plenty of locations that actually have reasonable parks and so forth where a lot of people just don't want to walk outside for a decent chunk of the year.

Can you expand on this? Are you describing areas outside that people walk in? Or some other area?

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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> After police officers removed elderly Korean Americans from a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens — managers claimed the group overstayed their welcome, buying only coffee and french fries Before you judge McDonald’s… this is a thing in Asia. Talk privately to someone who works in a Shanghai Walmart, IKEA, and so on, and you will learn that massive groups of these freeloading aunties can shut down any business with a fr…

Since when job should be fun? Who cares they are rude? It's not like there is some law you must be nice to employee, especially if they are bothering you.

Lived in China for years and yes, IKEA in Beijing is occupied by families enjoying bedrooms and living rooms, sleeping there, hanging there, but I've never seen it as issue and never seen any conflicts, that's just how it works there and I can understand these people considering temperatures in China and some of them not having AC (or saving money).

By your logic you could complain about Chinese/Asians not giving tips or bringing their own drinks to restaurants. These both may seem outrageous to American SJW, but I find it as European actually very nice and logical behavior. Why should I be giving any tips to someone getting salary, do you give tips to policeman, clerk in supermarket or McD staff? Doesn't business ear enough money from the food I order that they need to rob me on drinks as well? Well, I might as well eat at home, if they like it more, if they have problem with me bringing my own drink.

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> After police officers removed elderly Korean Americans from a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens — managers claimed the group overstayed their welcome, buying only coffee and french fries Before you judge McDonald’s… this is a thing in Asia. Talk privately to someone who works in a Shanghai Walmart, IKEA, and so on, and you will learn that massive groups of these freeloading aunties can shut down any business with a fr…

Since when job should be fun? Who cares they are rude? It's not like there is some law you must be nice to employee, especially if they are bothering you. Lived in China for years and yes, IKEA in Beijing is occupied by families enjoying bedrooms and living rooms, sleeping there, hanging there, but I've never seen it as issue and never seen any conflicts, that's just how it works there and I can understand these peop…

> Since when job should be fun?

I love your attitude, seriously. Many, many people would actually be happier in life if they knew their job doesn’t owe them everything.

My use of “not fun” was meant to be understatement, a gentle Way of saying that working conditions are highly unpleasant. And while I don’t feel everyone’s jobs have to be fun, I do think it’s my moral obligation not to darken anyone’s days if I can avoid it.

> By your logic you could complain about Chinese/Asians not giving tips or bringing their own drinks to restaurants.

And don’t worry, I find those practices to be just as unpleasant. My wife and I laugh about it routinely.

> Why should I be giving any tips to someone getting salary, do you give tips to policeman, clerk in supermarket or McD staff?

You may have chosen the wrong hacker news person for this discussion. It’s illegal to give tips to policeman, but I regularly give tips to both clerks in the supermarket and McDonald’s.

> Doesn't business earn enough money from the food I order that they need to rob me on drinks as well?

Preach, brother! The whole concept of tips is alien to me because if it’s inconsistency in the application. I am a generous tipper but I am completely baffled as to why I should tip some people versus others. But what I do know is that everyone loves to get tips. And if I can afford it, why not make the day a little bit better?

> Well, I might as well eat at home, if they like it more, if they have problem with me bringing my own drink.

Judging from the rest of your message I think that’s a great idea

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