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Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by majkinetor » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 9:37 AM UTC

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #269

oofbey wrote: post #198

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TBH I have a hard time understanding why people choose to run windows at all, except for playing games. If you're stuck using windows because the corporate overlords insist, then yeah that sucks. Also you can always run windows in a VM. Even on an M1.

> TBH I have a hard time understanding why people choose to run windows at all I use Windows and Linux equally as often, and I don't see this changing. There are some areas in which Windows itself is far superior, e.g: - HiDPI and font rendering (ClearType is the best font AA solution I've ever seen); - gaming and 3D graphics (Direct3D is a straightforward API to program with; OpenGL is 'deprecated', and Vulkan is a…

Well said.

On top of that, you can run majority of mainstream Linux tools on Windows, natively, without WSL. Contrary is usually not the case, you need Wine or VM.

There is context for everything - Linux is great for servers and particularly IoT since you need lots of them, it doesn't make sense to pay for Windows Server in that case. Since Desktop can be used mostly free of charge nowdays, I don't really see a problem.

And ofc. PowerShell is light years better then anything on Linux, not that it is much important now since pwsh is cross-platform.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by zinekeller » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 3:17 PM UTC

yuhong wrote: post #216

zinekeller wrote: post #169

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Not GP. I'm not sure if there's a special Compaq version but there's a version (until Windows 2000, https://winworldpc.com/download/5204c39d-c3a9-5a68-11c3-a7c2... ) for NEC PC-98 architecture which is x86-based but IBM PC-incompatible, so it's likely that a Compaq version exists.

The Compaq is IBM PC compatible but uses a different HAL for SMP support. You can see all of them by looking at what NT4 shipped with for example.

Ah, Uniprocessor versus Multiprocessor HALs, I remember now!

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by SixDouble5321 » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 10:24 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #34

Now this is will be interesting to see and will give a killer reason for Apple Silicon. My guess is that this will take some years to be usable, given that Linux on M1 still isn't complete by the time M2 is announced. But if a small amount of hackers were able to install Windows 11 ARM on a Raspberry Pi 4, then I won't be surprised to see the same to be done for Apple Silicon.

Funny, Windows on a Mac seems like total waste of time and hardware to me. Windows is ready to implode and stop being profitable with all of the CVEs and RCEs that are by design.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by ngcc_hk » Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 12:29 AM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #235

ngcc_hk wrote: post #226

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In fact this is whole point of open source VS free source.

Doesn't seem accurate? Both Free (of the FSF meaning) and Open Source (of the OSI meaning) software explicitly allow for commercial usage.

Read history guys. I even did a master thesis cf the two. The open source is against the free source by deliberating allow commerical software. Down vote you may, you cannot change the history. In fact learn seriously about that part, otherwise you miss the whole point of open source.

Well, whilst down voted let me repeat the thing - some Vp did not invent internet but he did let go of only education institute used that network. Now it allows commercial activities.

The mix is hard. The pure is ease. But without the mix and the complexity dealing with this, you do not have today open word of software and even internet.

And mix is hard. (And pure like free source is so pure it is a cult those days.)

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by JoshTko » Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 2:13 AM UTC

buffington wrote: post #256

JoshTko wrote: post #213

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All the reasons are technical but nothing about an actual user need. Especially given the cost and complexity and most likely sub native window user experience this project seems to serve no actual utility.

> this project seems to serve no actual utility I think booting Windows on a M1 qualifies as "actual utility" for a lot of people. Just because you don't see any value in the project doesn't mean other people agree with you.

Windows on M1 is a technical achievement but has seemingly no user benefits. User benefit would be better battery life, lower cost etc. This project has none of that. It's like running doom on a pacemaker, kind of cool but the feat is the end goal rather than delivering some real benefit beyond a technical POC.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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Post by justinclift » Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

ngcc_hk wrote: post #274

justinclift wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't seem accurate? Both Free (of the FSF meaning) and Open Source (of the OSI meaning) software explicitly allow for commercial usage.

Read history guys. I even did a master thesis cf the two. The open source is against the free source by deliberating allow commerical software. Down vote you may, you cannot change the history. In fact learn seriously about that part, otherwise you miss the whole point of open source. Well, whilst down voted let me repeat the thing - some Vp did not invent internet but he did let go of only education institute used t…

> The open source is against the free source by deliberating allow commerical software.

Again, and to put it even more clearly... you're very wrong.

Source, from the actual "Free source" people you're talking about:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

> Read history guys. I even did a master thesis cf the two.

Interesting. Is your master thesis available for me to take a look at?

I'd be interested in seeing how and why you arrived at your current viewpoint.