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Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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I am having a very hard time telling if this is scripted/ad-libbed or a real person. I hope it's a real person because it's wonderful.

I'm leaning toward scripted. It's a fairly easy set up for a joke. Like this sort of stuff, they're shorter than that segment but sort of the same idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9hRIjys4Qw

It feels that way too. I was just hoping it might have been authentic! Either way it is lovely. Thanks for sharing it!

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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From what I've seen malls are consolidating. The good ones continue to do well and get even nicer, while all the others slowly die as people make the trek to the good mall. There is no room in the market for average. It will be interesting to see what happens to them as they die, as they are quite unique pieces of real estate.

Here in Orange County, CA, they are converting some dead malls to apartment complexes.

That would be pretty interesting. Are they mixed use spaces? It would be kind of cool to have an apartment with shops you can just walk to, like a little town square.

It would be quite ironic to live in an old mall, while then needing to drive to get anything.

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This is a bizarre take. Most suburbs I’ve seen is actually amazing for walking in. Sure if there is no sidewalk it sucks, but if you walk where people live usually there is a nice walking path, minimal traffic, lots of families around. I’ve lived in dense urban centers and walking can suck with the crowded sidewalks, always having to cross streets with cars, the noise. People aren’t walking in malls because of car cu…

This is simply not true, and it was less true in the 80's/90's.

There might be two separate assertions under discussion. One is that it is typically difficult in a suburb to get to a landmark destination (e.g. to the grocery store, to the gym, to a coffee shop, and to work) just by walking, without a car.

This is true. At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind. It’s typically easier to go outside for a jog or run in a suburb than in downtown, as there are fewer cars on the road and other pedestrians on the sidewalk.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…

Reminds me of this image of the city center of Florence shown to-scale next to a single highway interchange.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/11/19/visualizing-p...

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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From what I've seen malls are consolidating. The good ones continue to do well and get even nicer, while all the others slowly die as people make the trek to the good mall. There is no room in the market for average. It will be interesting to see what happens to them as they die, as they are quite unique pieces of real estate.

Here in Orange County, CA, they are converting some dead malls to apartment complexes.

Seems like an amazing opportunity to build a pedestrian-centric community. Include a grocery store, coffee shop, gym, and some green space, with automobile infrastructure exclusively below ground or on the periphery. The idea being that you don’t need a car for most of your daily needs. Doesn’t sound half-bad to me if I’m a renter (which I was for most of my adult life).

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This is simply not true, and it was less true in the 80's/90's.

There might be two separate assertions under discussion. One is that it is typically difficult in a suburb to get to a landmark destination (e.g. to the grocery store, to the gym, to a coffee shop, and to work) just by walking, without a car. This is true. At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind. It’s typically easier to go outside for a jog o…

> At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind.

I have to disagree here. In the suburbs there is nowhere to go and nothing to discover. Walking around the city I see new people, restaurants or other businesses that I find interesting. The suburbs where I grew up were always the same thing.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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The real lesson of mall walking is that it came about because in many places there's literally nowhere else you can walk. Non-Americans may be vaguely aware that America has a sickness of car dependency but may be unaware of the extent of it. I present to you the 26 lane Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas [1]. Non-Americans may not realize just how large these cities are geographically. I believe one end of the Houston m…

That's not an actual picture of the road in the article. I'm also not sure one should count the feeder or access road as a part of the freeway. If you can't go freeway speeds it's probably not a freeway.

I counted 40 lanes in that picture!

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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This is simply not true, and it was less true in the 80's/90's.

There might be two separate assertions under discussion. One is that it is typically difficult in a suburb to get to a landmark destination (e.g. to the grocery store, to the gym, to a coffee shop, and to work) just by walking, without a car. This is true. At the same time, suburbs with low rates of crime are typically nicer to walk around without a destination in mind. It’s typically easier to go outside for a jog o…

I have been in plenty of suburbs without sidewalks or almost worse where there are bits and pieces of sidewalks that don’t connect to each other. Walking on the road is possible, but can be quite dangerous in such places.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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The lack of large plazas and walkable streets in the US really bums me out. I wish I was European, there I said it.

Europe is pretty small - just pick a small subset of the US that meets your needs and enjoy it. The US has a huge variety. If a small section is good, you don't need the rest to change.

Re: Lessons from the golden age of the mall walkers

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From what I've seen malls are consolidating. The good ones continue to do well and get even nicer, while all the others slowly die as people make the trek to the good mall. There is no room in the market for average. It will be interesting to see what happens to them as they die, as they are quite unique pieces of real estate.

Here in Orange County, CA, they are converting some dead malls to apartment complexes.

Haven’t lived there in 30 years. Which ones? Guessing Orange Mall, maybe some in Garden Grove or Santa Ana?
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