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We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by dazhbog »

srndsnd wrote: post #95

While only semi-related, this reminds me a lot of iPodLinux, a project from around 2006/2007. I'm on the younger side, and this project was my first real introduction to the possibilities of computing. It let my grayscale iPod Classic play videos and Doom, which at the time, was mindblowing to me and my middle school classmates. In the process I was fortunate enough to actually learn a thing or two about Linux and co…

Oh man, the iPodLinux project was the first thing I ever compiled. It took me so long to figure out how to do it, as I was typing Unix commands in Windows and it wasn't working. Best time ever as a smelly teenager pretending to hack stuff.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by sgjohnson »

fartcannon wrote: post #141
neilalexander wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep parroting the term “planned obsolescence” over and over again in every comment but I do not think you understand what it actually means. Planned obsolescence is when the device becomes useless after a given amount of time. So to use the battery example, arguably a phone that ends up misbehaving or shutting down unexpectedly due to a failing battery without any mitigations is “useless” — it ceases to function…

They lost a lawsuit about it. They were engaging in planned obsolescence.

Yeah. They were engaging in planned obsolescence by prolonging the lifespan of their devices.

Epic.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by sgjohnson »

fartcannon wrote: post #85
jasonlotito wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only half true. There were sued for this, but you can sue anyone for anything so that hardly matters. The assertion you are making has not been proven, and the link in your article backs this up. Quite the opposite. Your claim is false.

They were sued and lost. Thus: guilty.

There’s no guilt involved in civil cases.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by prvc »

xalava wrote: post #61
jagger27 wrote: post #48

This is really all about the iPads to me. Having that "magical piece of glass" run free software for years to come is an absolute win.

What is the benefit compared to a rooted android tablet?

Way easier to create software for it, and with more flexibility, for starters.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by neilalexander »

fartcannon wrote: post #141
neilalexander wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep parroting the term “planned obsolescence” over and over again in every comment but I do not think you understand what it actually means. Planned obsolescence is when the device becomes useless after a given amount of time. So to use the battery example, arguably a phone that ends up misbehaving or shutting down unexpectedly due to a failing battery without any mitigations is “useless” — it ceases to function…

They lost a lawsuit about it. They were engaging in planned obsolescence.

At this point I’m convinced you are merely trolling, so I’m engaging no further.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by Teknoman117 »

fartcannon wrote: post #97

Why does this have to be so hard? Just open your shit up, Apple. The majority of people will still use your walled garden. The rest of us will buy your hardware if you release drivers, etc.

Even though android is more open, it's not exactly in much better shape. It's nearly impossible to do anything useful with mainline Linux on most Android devices because the SoC vendors don't upstream anything since their entire financial model is sell new chip every 6 months.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by DavideNL »

fartcannon wrote: post #97

Why does this have to be so hard? Just open your shit up, Apple. The majority of people will still use your walled garden. The rest of us will buy your hardware if you release drivers, etc.

I think the EU will soon help them with that...

"EU Planning to Force Apple to Give Developers Access to All Hardware and Software Features" : https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/20/eu-plans-to-force-apple...

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

Teknoman117 wrote: post #156
fartcannon wrote: post #97

Why does this have to be so hard? Just open your shit up, Apple. The majority of people will still use your walled garden. The rest of us will buy your hardware if you release drivers, etc.

Even though android is more open, it's not exactly in much better shape. It's nearly impossible to do anything useful with mainline Linux on most Android devices because the SoC vendors don't upstream anything since their entire financial model is sell new chip every 6 months.

Agreed. It's a sad state of affairs.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

DavideNL wrote: post #157
fartcannon wrote: post #97

Why does this have to be so hard? Just open your shit up, Apple. The majority of people will still use your walled garden. The rest of us will buy your hardware if you release drivers, etc.

I think the EU will soon help them with that... "EU Planning to Force Apple to Give Developers Access to All Hardware and Software Features" : https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/20/eu-plans-to-force-apple...

As long as they don't maliciously comply, that would start a renaissance period, in my opinion. Suddenly, they'd be the good guys, instead of the worst offenders.

Everyone who wants to use the pure apple system can, everyone who wants to tinker can. Perfect world.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by Klonoar »

fn-mote wrote: post #102
Klonoar wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn’t meaningfully reduce e-Waste. The average iPhone user is conditioned to trade in their phone with already decent recycling programs being their destination.

IMO, the main (only?) reduction of e-waste comes from reselling the old phones on the secondary market. Re-use is much more effective than recycling. Until the bitter end.

I'm glad you led with "IMO". :)

That's a second life, and a valid thing - but I'm specifically talking about people wanting to use (e.g) an iPhone 6S (which will be discontinued soon).

Apple's hit something like 20% of their materials being from recycled products. This is a significant number and is much better than these things sitting around taking up space.

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