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We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by Klonoar »

fartcannon wrote: post #96
smoldesu wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News in 2022 is a strange place, it's hard to engage with people who already have their opinion of Apple decided before they've heard how they've messed up this time. The notch was particularly funny, watching everyone's incredulous reaction while people immediately went to damage control with the "but it's still 16:10!!!" addendum. This goes to everyone: Give up. All of these companies suck, the only thing th…

Microsoft's CEO admitted that they have been gaming Hackernews for a while, so it's highly likely the other big brands do the same.

Citation on that admission?

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fn-mote »

Klonoar wrote: post #80
MisterTea wrote: post #57

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I understand your gripe but think of it like this: manufactures like apple make locked down devices which are now able to be unlocked. This reduces e-waste while showing manufactures that we want more freedom and will do as we please with OUR hardware.

This doesn’t meaningfully reduce e-Waste. The average iPhone user is conditioned to trade in their phone with already decent recycling programs being their destination.

IMO, the main (only?) reduction of e-waste comes from reselling the old phones on the secondary market. Re-use is much more effective than recycling. Until the bitter end.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by zeckalpha »

soared wrote: post #73
fareesh wrote: post #20

I remember being in an IRC regularly 10-12 years ago where there was a community that was semi-active about a project to port android to the iPhone created by David Wang (planetbeing). There were a few builds going around at the time which I tried out. This video had gone somewhat viral at the time which is what sparked my interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJj0kHQgC9w . It seems like that project eventually b…

Around the same time there were projects to put Nintendo (game boy?) games on ipods as well.

And Linux on Game Boys!

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by robin_reala »

fartcannon wrote: post #87
robin_reala wrote: post #37

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The technical explanation was that CPU speed scaling spikes would exceed the old battery’s ability to supply power, causing the phone to reset. Apple’s decision was that a slower phone was a better user experience than a phone that randomly reset when you tried to do something that required a high CPU frequency. The upshot of that is that, yes, your phone got slower as it aged due to a software update. The battery li…

No, it was pretty straight forward. Which is why they lost the suit.

Sure. They should have been upfront about it, and they should have offered a switch to disable the behaviour. They were rightly punished for it.

But if we’re going to be correct about things, it was phone speed that took a hit, not battery life.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by usrn »

rtpg wrote: post #5
tmikaeld wrote: post #4

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There will be millions of no-longer-supported Apple units out there, it makes sense to give them a second life with Linux rather than throwing them in a landfill. And linux on it would not run Apple apps, it would run Firefox or Chromium.

So loads of people have testified that using old Androids as long term computing devices just doesn't work cuz the machines can't deal with being on all the time. I wonder if iPhones and the like are any different on this front. Would you be able to build up a little serve farm of these things?

The Android userspace is absolutely god awful and makes those projects hard. This would be running straight GNU/Xorg/wayland.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by grishka »

bozhark wrote: post #100

Anyone remember getting android on early iPhones? Blew my first gen up, well the battery at least, with the dual OS running together. Good times

Running a chunk of Android userspace on top of the Darwin kernel feels like a better idea if you want Android on an iPhone. You'll have to shim Android APIs to iOS ones and implement an ELF loader/linker for apps that use native libraries, but that's it. Should also be portable across all (jailbreakable) devices.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by squarefoot »

bogwog wrote: post #72
unsafecast wrote: post #68

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If you just want a server, you can use an android phone already. Either pick one that works with postmarketOS, or termux could work fine (I don't know the overhead of that though). No point in using an iPhone here.

What should I do with my old iPhones then?

Assuming they're ok with being kept on 24/7, they could become IoT terminals. A 10 years old phone should still have enough horsepower if it contained the bare minimum to load just one program that speaks to the home network, or a mpd remote to play music in the given room, communicate through VoIP with other terminals, etc. They could be used also in a lab to show data coming from instrumentation, as secondary display for servers etc. Plenty of uses; the only limitation being represented by the roadblocks (binary blobs, lack of documentation, closed drivers etc.) corporations put in place to prevent any further use of those devices that goes beyond what they have planned.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by reaperducer »

soared wrote: post #73
fareesh wrote: post #20

I remember being in an IRC regularly 10-12 years ago where there was a community that was semi-active about a project to port android to the iPhone created by David Wang (planetbeing). There were a few builds going around at the time which I tried out. This video had gone somewhat viral at the time which is what sparked my interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJj0kHQgC9w . It seems like that project eventually b…

Around the same time there were projects to put Nintendo (game boy?) games on ipods as well.

I suspect you're being downvoted because there are people who are too young/don't remember that there were a number of games available for the iPod from big gaming companies. Yes, the clickwheel iPod.

The 17-year-old iPod Video cranking out tunes on my desk right now has a really good version of Tetris on it, and one of the best ports of Ms. Pac-Man ever. Once you get used to navigating the maze with the wheel, it's a great game.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by justsomeguy123 »

vocram wrote: post #7

How could we benefit from having Linux on old iDevices? Would I be able to repurpose a device to do something useful I can’t do with iOS?

We still have an original iPad at an older relative. It's perfect for Solitaire.

It also used to be usable to load a weather page but turns out Safari doesn't know the certificate authority since it's such an old version. I guess such an old Safari is a walking security risk too.

It would be nice to be able to put Linux on it.

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