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Post by prepend »

shkkmo wrote: post #180
prepend wrote: post #65

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I like bringing up the Uniform Commercial Code [0] as a template for this kind of stuff. Where there’s a common goal and groups push for legislation in each state. Sadly I’m not sure there’s a good advocacy group to push for this. Mozilla is funded by Google who definitely doesn’t want any user rights that conflict with their revenue. Maybe the EFF or FSF. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

A state by state push would be one way to make this happen, but given that online companies and their users are often in different states, this does seem like the kind of interstate commerce that could be addressed federally. I'm not hugely optimistic about this. It's possible that the pushback against tech will enable something like this to get passed, but I'm pretty sure that pushback is for purely for political po…

That’s the beauty of UCC, it’s in every state. The idea is to get uniform laws in every state for the precise reasons you say.

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Post by throw7 »

XorNot wrote: post #267
tarboreus wrote: post #238

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SyncThing is actually really good. The main issue is integrations. A lot of mobile apps work with Dropbox but not with decent FOSS alternatives.

Syncthing also has untrusted hosts support now: you can sync your files to a host you don't trust, and it keeps them encrypted on the destination.

Very cool. Looks like it's currently marked beta/testing.

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vikingerik wrote: post #159
prepend wrote: post #38

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I have free OneDrive through my university, and I pay $99/year and I have it through work. With multiple TB available. Yet I still use Dropbox because it’s way more usable. Running the OneDrive agent is a hobby and it spikes my machine a few times a day. Running Dropbox is something that just works and has worked for 10 years without me ever noticing the sync app (a good thing). I avoid Google because I wouldn’t want…

How do you never notice the sync app? I stopped using Dropbox because I got sick of the client (on Windows) constantly blaring about new features and corporate sharing tools.

I muted that stuff years ago and have it run on startup. I get no notifications and if I put a file in that folder it syncs up. And files I add to dropbox sync down.

Granted I haven’t run the windows client in a long time so I’m talking about my MacOS experience. But OneDrive on MacOS does all sorts of shenanigans. The funniest is when it logs me out and forces a hard resync. As a user, I never want that.

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Post by cardiffspaceman »

barnabee wrote: post #298
tofuahdude wrote: post #261

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Why shouldn't they be able to know/inspect/scan the content that they are physically storing? I'm genuinely curious the logic. From my perspective, they're a company providing a service and can determine the terms upon which they'll provide it. You don't have to use them if you don't like it.

Right to privacy. Companies have never had carte blanche to create any terms they like. Many types of contractual agreement are illegal or unenforceable. Your landlord can’t just turn up and start rifling through your stuff, and the owner of your rented disk space shouldn’t be allowed to do the digital equivalent.

That won't keep your landlord from rifling your stuff if they think your legal foo is weaker than theirs, nor from claiming that they had the right to do it.

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Post by em-bee »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #303
ashleyn wrote: post #279

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This chilling effect is already going on. I'm writing a science-fiction thriller and took most of my notes off Google Drive out of fear that they would misconstrue them as political extremism. If AI is being used for content moderation then this only raises the likelihood that a false positive is identified, devoid of any context, and I lose my entire Google account to an uncontactable bureaucracy. I made a Nextcloud…

So why do you need all your writing notes to be on the cloud? Using multiple devices for work? An editor's request/requirement?

always keep a copy outside of your home. my own writing is replicated on almost every device i have. it's the most valuable to me. more so even than photos which are just memories.

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Post by BbzzbB »

danuker wrote: post #288
BbzzbB wrote: post #191

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I had pictures of an abroad internship from winter 2014-15 that I was able to find last year as I was aggregating all my pictures. But I just checked their filings, the 700M figure is indeed "registered" users, not "active" ones. Which makes a lot more sense. There are not a lot of services with 700M monthly active users out there.

Storing data for almost 10% of the human population. That's impressive.

How many duplicates tho? Accounts are only tied to emails AFAIK, how can they tell I'd be the same user behind 2 accounts?

Granted, it's kind of splitting hair considering it's still gonna be in the 9 figures, which is impressive regardless of where it is in that range.

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Post by coolspot »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #49

This is an inevitable consequence from the push to make cloud companies responsible for the content they host. Analyzing all of it can only be automated; automation will deliver weird false positives.

EncFS is great to encrypt data in DropBox-like services.

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Post by survirtual »

npc12345 wrote: post #229
survirtual wrote: post #89

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I just posted one of my own, and I agree with your sentiment. I would like to see a future where humans achieve symbiosis with machines. Our brains acting as a limbic system to a larger sovereign machine entity. Still “you”, but more. For such a thing to work, many ideas need to change. Data ownership, sovereignty, and the core philosophy in regards to machine-human augmentation needs to be reworked in groundbreaking…

I think you're shadowbanned.

Shadowbanned here? Why do you think that?

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Post by renata »

koolba wrote: post #239
lostgame wrote: post #199

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>> IMHO, the problem started when we all jumped on Gmail, knowing that there was no support Back when Gmail was invite-only, most people used Hotmail or Yahoo Mail, which would offer a base level of (I think) about 50-100MB of storage at the time. If you wanted more storage; you'd have to pay for your email service - an idea I don't think anyone born past 2000 has even heard of. Gmail came along, and suddenly offers…

IIRC, Hotmail provided 2 MB when Gmail was released. The 1 GB amount was so large by contrast that people thought it was a joke.

I mean, it was also released on April Fools' Day.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Teever wrote: post #292
GuB-42 wrote: post #216

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I don't think it is something that needs legislation. But it definitely needs more publicity. And if there is something that will bring down "big tech", I think that's it. "cloud providers" should be treated like something that can fail. We already don't trust hard drives, that's why we have RAID, we don't even trust RAID arrays, that's why we have backups, and we don't trust the place where backups are stored, that'…

Something like this definitely needs legislation. The whole concept of ToS needs to be overhauled with vast amounts of practice that is currently considered acceptable thrown right in the fucking trash. The idea that companies can change their ToS on a whim every day and push out walls of text that no one reads and everyone clicks through is insane. Why can't we modify the terms of agreement? Let's start with that la…

There is no need to read them. Every single terms of service ever written can be summarized as follows:

> you have no rights

> you promise not to try and exercise any right you think you have

> you will not do anything the company doesn't like

> the company can do anything it wants whether you like it or not

> the company is not responsible for anything ever

> the company makes absolutely no guarantees about anything

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