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Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by birdyrooster »

lostgame wrote: post #199
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, the problem started when we all jumped on Gmail, knowing that there was no support, and if it broke, we got to keep both pieces. I watched my wife's account get taken over in real time a couple years ago. Ten years of personal and financial info, now in the hands of God-knows-who for God-knows-why. I simply deleted the account from her devices, and moved on. There was nothing I could do, and no one I could comp…

>> IMHO, the problem started when we all jumped on Gmail, knowing that there was no support Back when Gmail was invite-only, most people used Hotmail or Yahoo Mail, which would offer a base level of (I think) about 50-100MB of storage at the time. If you wanted more storage; you'd have to pay for your email service - an idea I don't think anyone born past 2000 has even heard of. Gmail came along, and suddenly offers…

Unsurprisingly, after funding the initial round of Google investment, the DoD would come back not much later to eavesdrop on the email and uploads delivered to gmail into that storage.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by batuhandirek »

djbusby wrote: post #222

Never would have happened if you just used FTP like Brandon said https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Do you have this in your bookmarks? Super cool you could just pull this off of your memory and have a link to it!

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by dymk »

turtledove wrote: post #150
dymk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tone tags ruin a perfectly good joke

Quoted post unavailable.

No need to talk down to my neurodiverse friends, they understand irony and sarcasm in written text just fine. The neurotypical ones sometimes miss it, though.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by slightwinder »

barnabee wrote: post #149
kixiQu wrote: post #58

Isn't it pointless to discuss this without knowing more about the communications that happened?

Not really. It’s unacceptable for Dropbox to know/inspect what content you’re storing, scan it for anything without you actively requesting they do so, and certainly to delete it. This behaviour and any terms of service that allow it should be illegal. The fact that it goes on constantly is a scandal.

That depends on whether you share the content. In this case, there might be legal requirements for checking on the shared content, so dropbox can't avoid it.

But they might do something about how they handle this. Especially if it's an likely older account. Dropbox has many creators as customers. They should have more experience to handle this gracefully.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by TameAntelope »

ziddoap wrote: post #246
TameAntelope wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Communication is collaborative. If you can't accept the fact that sometimes someone might say "Hey, this would have helped me understand you better" without losing your mind over it, I feel sorry for anyone else you converse or collaborate with. Shame on anyone who doesn't memorize comments from years ago. Or people with English as a 2nd+ language and may not glean the intricacies of written English that you think ar…

That is not what he said, and again the misuse of quotations to make it seem like that's literally what he said is definitely not helping the situation.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by nix0n »

shkkmo wrote: post #224
kmeisthax wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming this is copyright related... probably not. The only way this could be done in practice would be for Justin Roiland/Williams Street/Rick & Morty LLC/Cartoon Network/Warner Bros. to legally indemnify Dropbox - as in, agree to pay all of Dropbox's legal fees and damages if they get sued for copyright infringement outside of their DMCA 512 safe harbor. This is entirely impractical for an individual to pull off,…

> whoever Justin is pirating content from Wow, you've made a huge assumption here.

He's not the legal owner of the content he creates.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by slightwinder »

Narretz wrote: post #10
fs111 wrote: post #3

There are 0 details here. Does anyone know what the secret TOS violation is supposed to be?

"Secret" means that the supposed account violation wasn't specified in the message from Dropbox. Possibly an automated decision. And apparently it was without warning on the first offense? Definitely need more info. And extremely worrying for me as a customer that they will take down the whole account for a single toc violation.

Quite possible something hard illegal, like problematic porn or terrorism or such. I guess in case of some random hollywood-alarm being triggered, there would have been a DMCA-complain coming from that party.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by ashleyn »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #49

This is an inevitable consequence from the push to make cloud companies responsible for the content they host. Analyzing all of it can only be automated; automation will deliver weird false positives.

This chilling effect is already going on. I'm writing a science-fiction thriller and took most of my notes off Google Drive out of fear that they would misconstrue them as political extremism. If AI is being used for content moderation then this only raises the likelihood that a false positive is identified, devoid of any context, and I lose my entire Google account to an uncontactable bureaucracy.

I made a Nextcloud to host my references and storywriting notes. Nextcloud is horribly buggy, difficult to maintain, and has very poor user experience compared to Google Drive - but at least I don't need to worry about my entire digital life being auto-terminated by an overzealous robot, with no reasonable appeal process beyond "knowing enough people to make a stink".

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by ziddoap »

TameAntelope wrote: post #275
ziddoap wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communication is collaborative. If you can't accept the fact that sometimes someone might say "Hey, this would have helped me understand you better" without losing your mind over it, I feel sorry for anyone else you converse or collaborate with. Shame on anyone who doesn't memorize comments from years ago. Or people with English as a 2nd+ language and may not glean the intricacies of written English that you think ar…

That is not what he said, and again the misuse of quotations to make it seem like that's literally what he said is definitely not helping the situation.

It appears that you are now the one having trouble parsing English.

You know how in a book when fictional characters are talking how they use quotation marks to indicate that? In my comment, my fictional someone was talking, so I used quotes.

Perhaps you could stop telling me how to write my comments and stop telling me to change my writing behavior for your sake, just because you misunderstood?

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