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Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

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post #7

Is it sexist to refer to a male programmer as "brogrammer"? No. Is it sexist to state you're only interested in hiring male programmers? Yes.

Does "brogrammer" mean male programmer? No.

Are you sure? I'm not sure how seriously a person could talk to a woman by addressing her as "bro".

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#32
post #11

I agree that the post's title is not very tactful or professional but I don't think it's sexist. The term "bro" refers to values like fraternity and solidarity. Even the word fraternity comes from the latin frater which means brother but "fraternity" is not a male-only concept. I myself consider some girls to be my "bros" even though I wouldn't use that term, but I agree in the values it conveys. Additionally, if a g…

Please google the term "brogrammer". You are defending the post (or playing devil's advocate) by implying a meaning that is not really the currently held inferred meaning. (As far as I'm aware.)

Explain. I can't find any definition of "brogrammer" that isn't a portmanteau of "bro" and "programmer". And "bro" is not a gender-specific term any more than "milkman".

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#33

I think you might be missing the reference to a recent (funny) video about "brogramming": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_AAqi0RZM

Perhaps, but when I Googled "brogrammer" I quickly came across an @brogrammer Twitter feed where the latest tweet reads:

"Just tried to jerk it to #siri. She couldn't get me off. #turing_test_fail or dyke?"

https://twitter.com/#!/brogramming/status/129638489905053697

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#34
Rather than focusing on whether it's sexist or not, I would start by saying that it is unwise.

I think that we (as a society) want young people to see all avenues as open to them regardless of gender. I highly doubt that the company doesn't want to hire women or has any sexist intention. However, it is unwise for us (as individuals and an industry) to use terms like "brogrammer" because it subtly suggests gender. One might not mean it as gendered, but certainly some young people will and will internalize it as meaning that "programming is really a guy's thing". This is compounded by the fact that programming is a field where women aren't well represented. I'm not suggesting quotas or anything like that. I'm simply suggesting that when people are thinking about their future, perceptions about industries affect their decisions and terms like "brogrammer" can create perceptions.

The same could be said if a library position were to use female-gendered terminology. Library science is a field that is predominantly women and using female-gendered language can only help to reenforce that perception. We don't want to force males into library science, but we also don't want young males to feel like they shouldn't go into it "because it's women's work".

When someone says that something is "sexist", I think a lot of people become defensive because they aren't sexists. I doubt that the person who wrote the post is sexist. However, a person who believes in equality can say something that negatively impacts that goal in our society. I don't know if it should be called sexist, but I do think that it negatively affects what we generally want in our world and our companies. Maybe not a lot, but it's something to think about when writing things in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "brogrammer" mean male programmer? No.

Are you sure? I'm not sure how seriously a person could talk to a woman by addressing her as "bro".

Being a "bro" is an attitude thing. The term is stupid, the ad is stupid, but it's not sexist.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#36
IF brogrammer wasn't sexist (which is highly debatable), I wouldn't go so far as to call these guys juvenile and idiotic. Sometimes you just need to have a little fun with it and lighten up a bit. You only get one life to live so might as well not be so serious all the time.

That being said, brogrammer probably is a bit sexist.

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please google the term "brogrammer". You are defending the post (or playing devil's advocate) by implying a meaning that is not really the currently held inferred meaning. (As far as I'm aware.)

Explain. I can't find any definition of "brogrammer" that isn't a portmanteau of "bro" and "programmer". And "bro" is not a gender-specific term any more than "milkman".

Seriously? The third google result for "brogrammer" is this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brogrammer

Re: Ask HN: Is brogrammer a sexist term?

#40
post #11

I agree that the post's title is not very tactful or professional but I don't think it's sexist. The term "bro" refers to values like fraternity and solidarity. Even the word fraternity comes from the latin frater which means brother but "fraternity" is not a male-only concept. I myself consider some girls to be my "bros" even though I wouldn't use that term, but I agree in the values it conveys. Additionally, if a g…

Please google the term "brogrammer". You are defending the post (or playing devil's advocate) by implying a meaning that is not really the currently held inferred meaning. (As far as I'm aware.)

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