This is an inevitable consequence from the push to make cloud companies responsible for the content they host. Analyzing all of it can only be automated; automation will deliver weird false positives.
Amazing that the Internet culture that vehemently opposed DRM and created things like bit torrent so quickly lined up behind algorithmic content moderation.
Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
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Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#152Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#153If he uses it for work, and clearly, most shared links he creates are of copyrighted media content, how would this work in practice? Does Google Drive/Dropbox have some flag for "creator" accounts?
Also, if anyone actually has a bone to pick with Dropbox over shared links, this is probably a very bad idea, because it would just be opening WB's far larger pockets to whoever Justin is pirating content from. There is no actual legal provision for "creators" to get away with copyright infringement that we cannot.
And let me be perfectly clear: It is not legal to copy media over any kind of file share, even privately within an organization, unless you have a copyright license, which they clearly don't. Censorship[0] on-demand in exchange for liability limitation is the world that all these media companies chose to live in. They screamed their heads off about the harms of noncommercial piracy over the Internet while also, apparently, pirating enough content internally that Dropbox needed to shut off their account. If they want their account back, then either pay for a license to every video file on that share or publicly lobby Congress to legalize file sharing.
Or this could have nothing to do with copyright and some internal spam filter just shat the bed very badly. The original linked tweet didn't clarify anything and Justin might just not even have anything to clarify with. I really hate how modern tech companies are allowed to do summary executions of accounts like this with no explanation.
[0] I am willing to accept the "copyright infringement is not speech" argument, which SCOTUS also does, but DMCA 512 still allows censorship of novel speech because the counternotice procedure is laughably inadequate.
Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like it does need to. Banning people for content they legally posses seems pretty questionable. Edit: You completely rewrote you comment after I responded, that is considered bad form on HN.
You responded less than 60 seconds after I wrote my comment, the substance of which is unchanged. Organizing thoughts into words is a process for me, it takes a moment.
I often add an edit immediately after I post, but unless it is fixing a typo, I always mark the edits.
Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can't. False positives are a trade-off against the administrative, legal and regulatory burdens of not having such a system on a UGC-hosting site at scale.
It seems like it does need to. Banning people for content they legally posses seems pretty questionable. Edit: You completely rewrote you comment after I responded, that is considered bad form on HN.
Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#156Reminds me of an incident we had with Dropbox a decade ago. They deleted some niche accounting software (custom developed by us) from our Dropbox account, plus their own log files covering those deletions. Then played ignorant. We learned the lesson, and never again trusted Dropbox, for anything. (Best guess - a would-be client got pissed when software which they'd never paid for lacked a feature, and told Dropbox a…
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
One is an objective statement of the world, the other is a subjective statement about you personally. If these things mean the same to you, you're not parsing the English correctly, which points to a larger comprehension issue that further explains why you didn't get the original sarcasm.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can get the whole package from Hetzner pre-configured, or just configure it yourself. I manage our team's nextcloud installation, and installing on bare-metal (sans containers) is a half day job at most . Moreover Nextcloud supports WebDav which allows tools like Zotero to directly tap into that.
Would you say that the install and maintenance load for both systems (Dropbox vs packages containers) is the same? Like, I'm confident my tech illiterate parents could get drop box running. Ease of use and UX are features. I'm not saying the self hosted stack is bad, and in fact it's probably better in many ways. But it doesn't have the same feature set if you consider usability a feature, imo.
1. You get a mail from your installation about the new version. Also desktop and mobile apps notify you.
2. You go to your "Settings -> Overview" click a button, enter your password. Upgrade starts.
3. Wait some.
4. "Disable maintenance mode and continue upgrade" button appears. Click it.
5. You're greeted with a "Start upgrade" button. Click it.
6. Wait some.
7. Page refreshes and you continue where you left.
No terminal, no commands, nothing.
I sometimes do it in the middle of the day. Nobody ever said, "Hey, uh, Nextcloud down?" yet.
Installation of the client is equally easy. You just need a URL addition to the username and password. The sync client is very competent too.
Our installation is facing outside and people are sharing public links and all. Not every member of the team is a sysadmin either.
Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#159Are people still using dropbox? I thought other integrated service such as google drive and onedrive would have drove dropbox to the grave
I have free OneDrive through my university, and I pay $99/year and I have it through work. With multiple TB available. Yet I still use Dropbox because it’s way more usable. Running the OneDrive agent is a hobby and it spikes my machine a few times a day. Running Dropbox is something that just works and has worked for 10 years without me ever noticing the sync app (a good thing). I avoid Google because I wouldn’t want…
Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation
#160Reminds me of an incident we had with Dropbox a decade ago. They deleted some niche accounting software (custom developed by us) from our Dropbox account, plus their own log files covering those deletions. Then played ignorant. We learned the lesson, and never again trusted Dropbox, for anything. (Best guess - a would-be client got pissed when software which they'd never paid for lacked a feature, and told Dropbox a…
Surely a Dropbox upload wasn‘t the only version you had. Couldn‘t you restore easily?