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Re: The Last Question

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It was a much smaller internet. Crowds and server overload were much more visible.

It’s actually not the “hug of death” that I fondly remember happening more often (although that too was undoubtedly more common) but finding cool, weird, niche topics on the internet that I didn’t know before and were really fascinating.

When you were young, more things were novel.

Re: The Last Question

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Creator in what sense though? Evolution is slow enough that there was never one point at which we suddenly came into being. First we were energy, then we were energy forming into chemicals, then we were chemicals forming into chemicals with rigid structures, then we were chemicals with rigid structures forming more complex structures, etc, until we got to here. Each iteration creates the next iteration, constantly, a…

Well perhaps if you become omni(scient/present/potent) enough, you can subtly influence that process to your desired goal. Evolution is very random in the end.

Goedels incompleteness seems to me to disprove such omni, and if you are stuck thinking by our best models of thinking, its annoying exponential. Basically, to think about a universe enough to predict outcomes, you have to simulate it. To figure out which universe leads to a desired outcone, it seems like you would have to simulate most of the ones that do not as well. So if we presuppose the existance of a creator, maybe we are one of the failed universe thought experiments as she tries to make her intended universe?

Re: The Last Question

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It’s an atheist’s most religious dream to think of becoming one’s own creator. It’s nonsense, of course, but it definitely blew my mind reading it as a child. What set the parameters that the ultimate computer must work within? The ultimate computer can reverse entropy, but it can’t make its own reality. There are limits to the power of knowledge.

You must be fun at parties.

Wait, you're complaining that earthboundkid is sucking the fun out of an Isaac Asimov story by dissecting the ideas held within it? I think you may find you have accidentally arrived at the wrong party.

Re: The Last Question

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If you haven’t read it before, don’t read the Wikipedia summary; read the actual story. It’s easy to google and pretty short. Isaac Asimov said it was his favorite story he’d written. He imagines the entire history of the future of humanity, to the end of time, in a few pages. Really a marvelous story.

When I put together a list of the "best" SF shorts a while back by author, this was my choice for Asimov. (IMO I can make an argument for "Nightfall" but that's a novella and other things being equal I was prioritizing shorter works.) That said, Asimov has a lot of good short stories including quite a few of his robot stories.

Nightfall was also a 13,000 word short story, which was turned into a novella. Many, including me, consider it much tighter. That looks to be about 3-4x the length of The Last Question, though, so I think you're still well justified.

Re: The Last Question

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If you haven’t read it before, don’t read the Wikipedia summary; read the actual story. It’s easy to google and pretty short. Isaac Asimov said it was his favorite story he’d written. He imagines the entire history of the future of humanity, to the end of time, in a few pages. Really a marvelous story.

I remember this from a Planetarium laser light show where this was narrated and there were cool projected abstract visuals. Must have been in the 70’s. That’s entertainment!

Re: The Last Question

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post #34

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The rabbi recently on the Lex Fridman podcast told a joke that went (roughly) like Scientists come to God and say "OK God, we've had a lot of progress lately in synthetic biology, genetics, engineering, etc. and we're pretty sure we know how you did it." God says "Oh really?". "Yes. We'll create living creatures out of dirt to show that we can do just as you did with Adam." God says "Wow, fantastic!" So the scientist…

Did God create the substrate he exists in?

This is sometimes presented as a "gotcha" question, but it's really the whole core premise of monotheism. Looking around, it appears that everything has a cause, and every cause has further causes. Can the chain of causes extend back infinitely? Assuming the chain is infinite, is there a cause for the infinite chain itself? We must posit that there is something which is, unlike everything else observed, an uncaused cause.

Various other arguments show that there can only be one uncaused cause, and such a cause must be infinitely good, and this one uncaused infinitely good thing, we all call "God." Goodness, beauty, and being exist to some degree in everything observed, and so are "transcendent" properties. We cannot observe or distinctly conceive of something lacking at least a degree of them. The transcendent properties hint at, but do not reveal, the outlines of a transcendental being which is their source.

This was all explained by the Greeks 2,500 years ago, and it's implicit in the non-Western traditions as well. It's philosophically bulletproof, although for some reason contemporary people act like it's not, I guess because we can build iPhones now? Modern atheism is really disappointing because for the most part it doesn't really grapple with the actual hard questions. We pretend like Hawking was an atheist, when quite clear he was a Deist who thought the laws of physics were God. The only really question is the question of the Daoists: okay, God/Heaven/The Dao must be there, but why should we think it's humane? And what are we going to do if it's not?

Re: The Last Question

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post #32

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You must be fun at parties.

Wait, you're complaining that earthboundkid is sucking the fun out of an Isaac Asimov story by dissecting the ideas held within it? I think you may find you have accidentally arrived at the wrong party.

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Re: The Last Question

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post #106
post #97

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When I put together a list of the "best" SF shorts a while back by author, this was my choice for Asimov. (IMO I can make an argument for "Nightfall" but that's a novella and other things being equal I was prioritizing shorter works.) That said, Asimov has a lot of good short stories including quite a few of his robot stories.

please share your full list with us.

https://bitmason.blogspot.com/2020/10/80-authors-80-science-...

This list and the shorter prior one were also on HN at some point.

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