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Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by pydry » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

brhsagain wrote: post #148

All of these supposed "flaws" of leetcode are by design. Big companies want people who are smart enough to do the work, but obedient enough to put up with all the bullshit that comes with working at a big company. What person better matches that than someone who's able and willing to study for and pass a tech version of the SAT? Every anti-leetcode article I read is some version of "leetcode is bad because it measure…

I think it's more along the lines of "well, this is how I got in and if it recognized my genius it must be pretty good".

Along with "if we all had to go through this shit, so should you".

IME its biggest defenders are people who were a little bit extra proud to have gotten a job at Google and I reckon its as much those types as much as upper management keeping it going.

Like frat hazing rituals the fact it intrinsically makes no sense is sort of beside the point. Like frat hazing rituals it'll have to be rooted out like a weed to actually go away coz it's well and truly baked in.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by 1ark » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

foundart wrote: post #294

I worked at a unicorn that did these type of interviews under the premise that they provided a way to reduce bias in the process. That seems reasonable if you believe that qualified engineers can walk in and compete these tasks without having practiced extensively. I don’t happen to believe that and thus believe it biases in favor of candidates who can devote considerable quantities of free time to preparation.

Exactly. The follow up questions would be "Reduces what bias? And increase what other bias?"

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by tru3_power » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

As someone who just went through this (finished up loop at fb and google) - I can honestly say at first I HATED the idea of leetcoding/having to learn this stuff, but after a while I started actually learning the real concepts behind the problems and started looking at them like puzzles. I enjoy puzzles so this approach made these problems more approachable and engaging.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by eutropia » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

EdwardDiego wrote: post #215

sumeno wrote: post #213

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They are correct. Stuff like project zero is an extreme outlier. I've been using a MBP for 5 years and have never used homebrew on it.

Cheers for clarifying :) I'll admit that surprises me greatly, I can't see why it's considered more efficient, but hey, Google.

probably efficient because their codebase size would outstretch local disk space requirements, and also would allow for comprehensive access controls

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by indymike » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

Dear Everyone,

Please keep using Leet Code in interviews so I can continue to hire extremely talented developers with little competition from out of state companies that like to pay 60% more than local prevailing wages. Thanks.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by LanceH » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:21 PM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #297

1ark wrote: post #263

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Pretty awesome pace if you can do a 100 in a minute. https://youtu.be/u81LxIlLGnc

Looks like a solid $300k/yr+ software engineer to me. Can you send me his LinkedIn?

You should see the 10x engineer's jumping jacks.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by pyb » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:22 PM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #207

brhsagain wrote: post #148

All of these supposed "flaws" of leetcode are by design. Big companies want people who are smart enough to do the work, but obedient enough to put up with all the bullshit that comes with working at a big company. What person better matches that than someone who's able and willing to study for and pass a tech version of the SAT? Every anti-leetcode article I read is some version of "leetcode is bad because it measure…

It'd be a fun social experiment if one of the big tech companies replaced the leetcode-style rounds with something arbitrary. Let's say: The "jumping jacks" round. You have to turn your webcam on and do 100 jumping jacks in 60 seconds. Only then will you potentially advance to the next round. The person watching on the other end can evaluate how far over 100 you got, whether or not your form matches best practice, an…

Have you heard of Amazon's "LP" interviews? It seems to be a little bit like that. The challenge there is to tell a number of well-rehearsed stories.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by pyb » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

dominotw wrote: post #281

brhsagain wrote: post #148

All of these supposed "flaws" of leetcode are by design. Big companies want people who are smart enough to do the work, but obedient enough to put up with all the bullshit that comes with working at a big company. What person better matches that than someone who's able and willing to study for and pass a tech version of the SAT? Every anti-leetcode article I read is some version of "leetcode is bad because it measure…

Funny that we've been discussing a version of this every single week in last decade but leetcode has gotten more prevalent, not less.

The Leetcode system is incredibly self-perpetuating for some reason.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by pyb » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:28 PM UTC

hiq wrote: post #88

Dowwie wrote: post #75

Someone who builds a truly novel technology solution involving hundreds of hours of effort gets filtered out of an interview involving contrived scenarios. You may have built the next generation X, but given an array of strings and a fixed width, can you format the text such that each line has exactly maxWidth characters and is fully justified -- in the next 30 minutes? Maybe you should have cultivated that skillset…

> Someone who builds a truly novel technology solution involving hundreds of hours of effort This person should already have enough of a reputation to get a job at many companies, if their work is public enough. What do you suggest for the 99%+ other candidates?

Plenty of great developers with a prominent public profile appear to be under-employed.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Post by steve76 » Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

blueflow wrote: post #235

devonkim wrote: post #227

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Systemic problems being blamed on individuals is not going to help. Of course society is a shared responsibility model essentially but it means even a highly skilled and otherwise technically competent and qualified engineer in an inadequately structured system can regularly produce garbage work. Having to hire nothing but the best to achieve decent or viable output IMO moreso implies that the processes or systems ar…

As an adult its your responsibility to produce sensible quality despite social factors. You can not expect society to hold your hand.

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