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Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by dangrossman »

shkkmo wrote: post #52
dangrossman wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can't. False positives are a trade-off against the administrative, legal and regulatory burdens of not having such a system on a UGC-hosting site at scale.

It seems like it does need to. Banning people for content they legally posses seems pretty questionable. Edit: You completely rewrote you comment after I responded, that is considered bad form on HN.

You responded less than 60 seconds after I wrote my comment, the substance of which is unchanged. Organizing thoughts into words is a process for me, it takes a moment.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by jmt_ »

chrisseaton wrote: post #22
logicalmonster wrote: post #12

Would this be some automated system that looks for copyrighted works?

How can an automated system know the identity of users and what rights and licensing agreements they hold?

I believe this is a common issue with automated copyright detection systems. Companies don't seem to care much as the grief caused by a false positive is almost completely offloaded to the user.

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by turtledove »

NortySpock wrote: post #43
turtledove wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you've described is not at all an equivalent for Dropbox. There are many, many features that your stack doesn't support.

Such as? Syncthing + NextCloud + rsnapshot backups would have been my open-source alternative recommendation, but of course not everyone wants to take the time to learn that skillet, set that up, and maintain it.

Are those features of sftp? It cvs? Or the vps provider?

Or are you saying, "well, with a completely different stack I can get closer to feature parity"?

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by prepend »

shkkmo wrote: post #14

Yet another example of why we need a users bill of rights to give users some standardized legal recourse to discover the reasons for account bans and dispute them.

I like bringing up the Uniform Commercial Code [0] as a template for this kind of stuff. Where there’s a common goal and groups push for legislation in each state.

Sadly I’m not sure there’s a good advocacy group to push for this. Mozilla is funded by Google who definitely doesn’t want any user rights that conflict with their revenue. Maybe the EFF or FSF.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Commercial_Code

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by marginalia_nu »

shkkmo wrote: post #46
smoldesu wrote: post #39

Hopefully this will stop HNers from linking everyone ye olde "this is why Dropbox is better than your nerdass solution" comment, and hopefully it vindicates everyone over the years who countered that argument by asking what happens when Dropbox deletes your account apropos of nothing...

Unless your "nerdass solution" involves hosting your own server, then you don't have any additional protection.

What sort of nerdass doesn't host their own server?

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by jerf »

NortySpock wrote: post #43
turtledove wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you've described is not at all an equivalent for Dropbox. There are many, many features that your stack doesn't support.

Such as? Syncthing + NextCloud + rsnapshot backups would have been my open-source alternative recommendation, but of course not everyone wants to take the time to learn that skillet, set that up, and maintain it.

What does Syncthing add to the Nextcloud capabilities? (Honest question because I'm curious; I have a NextCloud & snapshot to encrypted S3 backup solution already.)

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by BbzzbB »

dangrossman wrote: post #23
taesu wrote: post #4

Are people still using dropbox? I thought other integrated service such as google drive and onedrive would have drove dropbox to the grave

700 million people use them, and 17 million are on a paid plan. I still use Dropbox, because I don't trust that I'd be able to reach a helpful human at Google should anything happen to my Google account.

700M, is that active users? Or does my old account I haven't touched in forever counts?

Re: Dropbox deletes Rick and Morty creators account for secret TOS violation

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Post by himinlomax »

pstoica wrote: post #7

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It's a common failure mode for a kind of products (SaaS) YC frequently funds. While it probably happens rarely, its consequences can be devastating for those affected, and thus it's a problem that needs fixing -- yet no progress seems to happen in the industry.

Overall, it's similar in relevance to security breaches. Awareness needs to be raised. Thus I'd argue it's relevant.

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