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We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

sgjohnson wrote: post #15
woolion wrote: post #2

Although it's always good news to have Linux on more device, in the case of Apple I find it a bit problematic. That means you encourage Apple getting a huge cut on device sale. Or further justify the high prices of second-hand device because now you can 'give them a second-life' (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program). It's not just about freedom. Apple's walled-garden means you need in every compa…

> to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program Apple does not do planned obsolescence. iPhone 6S is going to be be supported for 8 years total. (It's not going to receive feature updates anymore, as iOS 16 won't support it, but it also means that iOS 15 gets another year of support)

The updates that downgrade the battery life without having user replaceable batteries is planned obsolescence.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fathyb »

fareesh wrote: post #20

I remember being in an IRC regularly 10-12 years ago where there was a community that was semi-active about a project to port android to the iPhone created by David Wang (planetbeing). There were a few builds going around at the time which I tried out. This video had gone somewhat viral at the time which is what sparked my interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJj0kHQgC9w . It seems like that project eventually b…

I remember flexing my iPhone 3G dual-booting iOS and Android back in high-school. The project was named iDroid: https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/IDroid

It taught me to create custom ramdisks and kernels for iDevices, which eventually landed me my first job as a digital forensics SWE.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by Synaesthesia »

ntoskrnl wrote: post #19
woolion wrote: post #2

Although it's always good news to have Linux on more device, in the case of Apple I find it a bit problematic. That means you encourage Apple getting a huge cut on device sale. Or further justify the high prices of second-hand device because now you can 'give them a second-life' (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program). It's not just about freedom. Apple's walled-garden means you need in every compa…

Let's say I have an iPhone 6 that stopped receiving updates. What do you suggest I do with it: - landfill - install Linux - something else?

Use as an iPod, it's got a headphone jack which is rather nifty, also still works fine as a basic phone, you can have the battery replaced quite cheaply.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by gruturo »

woolion wrote: post #2

Although it's always good news to have Linux on more device, in the case of Apple I find it a bit problematic. That means you encourage Apple getting a huge cut on device sale. Or further justify the high prices of second-hand device because now you can 'give them a second-life' (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program). It's not just about freedom. Apple's walled-garden means you need in every compa…

> (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program)

iPhones are famous for being supported A LOT longer than almost any other phone. There are manufacturers which abandon you after the 2nd year, and if you buy a model near the end of its sale period, that can mean as little as 13-14 months on a brand new phone.

Some iPhones have been, are, or will be supported for 6, 7, even 8 years - which is ridiculously good in comparison, and often the reasons for dropping a model are quite clear (only 1G of RAM, would swap/OOMkill like crazy, or lack of a 64-bit CPU).

You could debate some of these reasons, you could debate when none are provided, you could argue about why a certain model had so little RAM to begin with, and of course there have been poorly handled issues like batterygate or certain iOS versions being brutally slow on old models (though it's been years since it last happened).... but frankly, this is an odd choice of a hill to die on.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by drexlspivey »

gruturo wrote: post #24
woolion wrote: post #2

Although it's always good news to have Linux on more device, in the case of Apple I find it a bit problematic. That means you encourage Apple getting a huge cut on device sale. Or further justify the high prices of second-hand device because now you can 'give them a second-life' (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program). It's not just about freedom. Apple's walled-garden means you need in every compa…

> (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program) iPhones are famous for being supported A LOT longer than almost any other phone. There are manufacturers which abandon you after the 2nd year, and if you buy a model near the end of its sale period, that can mean as little as 13-14 months on a brand new phone. Some iPhones have been, are, or will be supported for 6, 7, even 8 years - which is ridiculously g…

I am still using my 2012 ipad with iOS 9 to watch youtube and Plex

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by sgjohnson »

fartcannon wrote: post #21
sgjohnson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program Apple does not do planned obsolescence. iPhone 6S is going to be be supported for 8 years total. (It's not going to receive feature updates anymore, as iOS 16 won't support it, but it also means that iOS 15 gets another year of support)

The updates that downgrade the battery life without having user replaceable batteries is planned obsolescence.

Batteries are consumable, and there's not a shred of evidence that Apple is purposefully downgrading battery life with updates.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

sgjohnson wrote: post #26
fartcannon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The updates that downgrade the battery life without having user replaceable batteries is planned obsolescence.

Batteries are consumable, and there's not a shred of evidence that Apple is purposefully downgrading battery life with updates.

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Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by neilalexander »

fartcannon wrote: post #21
sgjohnson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program Apple does not do planned obsolescence. iPhone 6S is going to be be supported for 8 years total. (It's not going to receive feature updates anymore, as iOS 16 won't support it, but it also means that iOS 15 gets another year of support)

The updates that downgrade the battery life without having user replaceable batteries is planned obsolescence.

It's hardly like updates are being released deliberately to worsen battery life. The more features that get added, the more CPU cycles are used therefore battery power is consumed more quickly. This should be a surprise to no one, little less a technical audience like HN. Even the battery throttling saga a couple years ago was largely with good intentions (in that it's better to run the phone a bit slower than it is for it to power off at random due to voltage drops).

Apple can be accused of an awful lot but their support story for older devices is better than any other phone or tablet manufacturer out there bar none.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

neilalexander wrote: post #28
fartcannon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The updates that downgrade the battery life without having user replaceable batteries is planned obsolescence.

It's hardly like updates are being released deliberately to worsen battery life. The more features that get added, the more CPU cycles are used therefore battery power is consumed more quickly. This should be a surprise to no one, little less a technical audience like HN. Even the battery throttling saga a couple years ago was largely with good intentions (in that it's better to run the phone a bit slower than it is…

They were sued and lost for exactly this reason.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay...

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