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Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#11
issue with leetcode is it designed to filter out 95% of people, companies dont want to know you

they rather keep a set of leetcode, iq and personality test to remove you from the list of candidates

root cause is bootcamps over saturation of devs in job market, especially in web

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#12
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh you focused on the “polishing” and not the “there’s nothing to show” part People good at their jobs because they do their job: nothing on github People in the business of performance theatre because they dont have a job to be good at: plenty on github. It can be legit code they wrote, that was not the point at all.

I half agree with this. I don't like the idea that every developer has to have code on github. If they want to code for work and nothing more, then that's fine and shouldn't disqualify them from any jobs. We shouldn't expect people to spend years of employment building up a portfolio for the next time they're looking for a job. However, I don't see how looking at the code people write isn't informative. You can see m…

Of the people with code on github, a lot of that is forked projects with small contributions, and the rest is small convenience or learning projects that werent meant for scrutiny. If its curated its because they are making a performance that also has nothing to do with being with an employee before meeting you.

Github presence is just a non signal. Thats the only point.

We agree that if you have a different way to see how theyll actually structure code for you, then its useful

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#13
These articles always seem to have an underlying assumption that really great people are being denied access to jobs because they can't get through these interviews but it is implying that the people who do get through these are not also great but are less hassle, easier to measure their ability and so what if they have swatted up on LeetCode to help their application? That means they are driven, that they have learned stuff on the way and are more likely to get something right the first time.

I have been on the receiving end of applying to an agency and being told I didn't make the grade technically. I was disappointed because I know I am a good engineer but I didn't expect them to magically know this. I can also see how my approach to the technical tests might have made me look less than what they were looking for, which is fine.

I am also not sure of any good alternatives because someone will always object to any alternative which they cannot achieve for some reason. A "take home" project is good for real life work but some people cannot (or will not) invest the time even if they are paid for it; discussions can be great for helping nervous people but that is not how work usually is, there are challenges, pressures etc. and the able people object that it is not fair that people are getting in too easily.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#14
I keep seeing this kind of article that leetcode is not the answer. Yes it is not the answer but the best strategy to filter out not dumb, low IQ people who are going to panic when you give a vague, open ended problem. There are many people who call themselves engineers while trying to talk everything out instead of diving deep into problem.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#16
Just talk to the person, ask them about projects they’ve worked on, problems they’ve solved etc. you’ll learn far more about them that way than getting them to put on a dog and pony show at a whiteboard!

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#17

I don't really understand the point almost all of the thing they list as downsides of using Leet Code are actually benefits. If someone can't manage to code some simple questions during an interview I can't imagine they'd ever make real contributions.

What if they suffer from social anxiety and they just struggle under the pressure of an interview?

I’ve seen so many people over the years do terrible on these types of test that went on to be amazing contributors. We only found this out because we essentially ignored the outcome of these tests, which makes you wonder why you’re doing these tests at all!

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#18

I don't really understand the point almost all of the thing they list as downsides of using Leet Code are actually benefits. If someone can't manage to code some simple questions during an interview I can't imagine they'd ever make real contributions.

if the "simple questions" are realistic problems they might face day to day, fair enough. But the classic example in these articles is an exercise like invert a binary tree, which most people never have nor will need to do, making it a poor test.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

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post #13

These articles always seem to have an underlying assumption that really great people are being denied access to jobs because they can't get through these interviews but it is implying that the people who do get through these are not also great but are less hassle, easier to measure their ability and so what if they have swatted up on LeetCode to help their application? That means they are driven, that they have learn…

A realistic problem similar to what they’ll be expected to d in the job followed by a discussion to ensure they actually understand it makes much more sense than leetcode. Ideally with time for them to complete some of it independently with full access to the internet, an editor, etc.

Re: Stop Interviewing with Leet Code

#20
post #18

I don't really understand the point almost all of the thing they list as downsides of using Leet Code are actually benefits. If someone can't manage to code some simple questions during an interview I can't imagine they'd ever make real contributions.

if the "simple questions" are realistic problems they might face day to day, fair enough. But the classic example in these articles is an exercise like invert a binary tree, which most people never have nor will need to do, making it a poor test.

I think the worst part is that half the candidates will never have seen the problem before, and half of them will. Which makes it really hard to make fair comparisons.
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