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It's very difficult to provide an easy to use vote receipt that can't also be used for tampering (threats or bribes for the wrong/right votes). (Maybe I am reading too much meaning into "recorded correctly")
This is a solved problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31675726
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scantegrity looks sort of complicated.
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I know for a fact that where I vote it is impossible to vote more than once (or close to, Berlin managed to fuck up voting last year for some reason). How is it impossible? Everyone is centrally registered with their primary residence. Based on these records, invitations are sent out prior to elections. With that invitation, or passport or ID, you show up at your voting local (of which there are plenty, the school ju…
In this case it looks like you could bribe the volunteers to simply give ballots without checking for ID, then bribe the overseers to validate the fraud. So long as the people who’s votes you are stealing don’t come in, then you are safe. There are no systems safe from fraud if you allow human judgment to be a part of the system.
There's a pretty good chance of being safe even if they do come in: https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/houston-woman-turned-away-from...
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Compared to America, many other democracies manage to get by with far less fraud. For example, election fraud is effectively unheard of in France; the system is so robust that even in very close elections there is never any real drama about recounts or such. For a country that considers democracy to be fundamental to its identity, the US's performance is embarrasing in comparison.
If you don't start out with one person, one vote then I think you should not be calling yourself a democracy to begin with. Votes from different persons should be exactly equal in weight.
No, the US is not that country.
Americans have a really tough time with the notion of materiality. America is such a big country that, as a matter of statistics, anything that can happen is happening. That doesn’t mean it happens often enough to call into question our basic systems. In this case it’s the right that fails to grasp materiality. Yes, people vote illegally, ballot boxes get stuffed, their is collusion, etc. No, it doesn’t happen often…
Take Florida in 2000, population 16 million. Assume no fraud at the presidential level, but even a tiny amount of fraud in local city/county races could have tipped the Presidential count one way or the other. With 6 million votes cast, it seems likely that there were 600 fraudulent votes in the state. TLDR; even a very small amount of fraud can have world changing consequences.
Likely? I'd buy that there were probably 600 screwed up votes, but that's a lot of fraudulent votes to be cast without detection. The odds are very much against it.
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The risk clearly doesn't fit the crime. A risk of being hung for treason is harder to recruit for.
The list of people actually convicted of treason in the US is very short, and a subsequent execution hasn't happened since the mid 1800s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_of_tr...
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Keeping “wrong people” from voting is essentially half of election “security”. It’s not just coercion risk. It’s the whole chain of custody.
I meant brown people, but I expect you know that. Give the FEC the power to issue photo ID for voting. Legislate that it is only valid for that purpose and any other use is illegal. Send out census-style teams to track down every citizen and issue them a card, free of charge. Of course, there are all sorts of problems with this that are entirely self-inflicted. Someone will oppose a national ID, even if we already ha…
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How did she fix it?
The machine prints a paper ballot that is considered the actual vote. Any electronic copy is just a counting optimization. https://www.wired.com/2003/11/e-votes-must-leave-a-paper-tra...
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I am glad you pointed this out. Few seem to understand that once the envelope is open and thrown away there is no way to verify the ballot being legitimate in many states. It's sad that people think with such a system there is no chance of voter fraud. They will smugly say that a recount confirmed everything was legitimate, etc. Very frustrating that the nuance is lost on them. Ballots need serial numbers that trace…
You have to weigh the good with the bad. The secret ballot is essential, as compromise of that secrecy enables vote selling and voter intimidation. One of the reasons New York had tabulating machines and kept them was to limit the ability of political machines to interfere with elections at the local level. Tammany Hall operatives and others would retaliate against voters who didn’t do what the machine wanted. (Later…
The tabulating machines or the political machines?
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> Do you think Democrats would be willing to have voter ID laws if the post office offered free IDs? No because proximity to a Post Office isn't a reasonable criteria for suppressing a persons right to vote. Especially because: > It may not always be the easiest to get
> No because proximity to a Post Office isn't a reasonable criteria for suppressing a persons right to vote. In rural areas, one often has to travel a long distance to reach a post office or DMV. In urban or suburban areas, while the distance may vary, on average it is significantly less. So, if requiring someone to go to a government office to receive ID to vote suppresses the vote of people who live far away from t…
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You should expect some number of dead people to have voted in every election, totally aboveboard. There's always going to be someone who dies in a car accident on the way back from the polling place. Add early or by-mail voting and the attendant micromorts from a bigger gap between votes being cast and being counted, and you'll see more dead people having cast votes. Older people are much more likely to vote and much…
Just way below the number needed to influence elections. People say this like there are no close elections, or are only talking about Presidential elections (and ignoring Florida 2020), but pretty much every year there are razor thin votes in statewide and congressional races. Good example is Iowa 2nd district in 2020 which was decided by 6 votes: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democrat-rita-hart-ends-elec... GOP Re…