Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

Post by vkou » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

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Perhaps worth noting: the fraud perpetrated in this story was completely independent of mail-in ballots. In Pennsylvania, mail-in ballots don't even pass through the level of the bureaucracy that was bribed to compromise the in-person vote totals. "Do mail-in ballots make fraud easier" is a multi-dimensional question. At some level of resolution, everything that makes exercising the right to vote easier makes fraud e…

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Post by hammock » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

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> No, it doesn’t happen often enough to undermine the integrity of elections in the aggregate. Ridiculous to just throw this out as if it's a concrete fact. Even changing the outcome of a Presidential election doesn't require any kind of sweeping, nationwide fraud campaign. Just enough well-placed ones where the vote will be close enough that the fraud doesn't have to be too large. I'm not saying it has or hasn't hap…

>Even changing the outcome of a Presidential election doesn't require any kind of sweeping, nationwide fraud campaign. Just enough well-placed ones where the vote will be close enough that the fraud doesn't have to be too large. This only looks true when viewed retroactively. It would have taken roughly 80k votes to switch the 2016 election from Trump to Clinton. However people had no idea of that beforehand. That 80…

Post by thinkcontext » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

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I knew this had to be about either Philly or Chicago without even clicking the link. And of course I was right.

Post by vkou » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

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> For some reason progressives are against voter ID laws. It’s a barrier preventing citizens from exercising constitutional rights. The need isn’t clearly demonstrated to justify the restriction. Voter ID laws have different outcomes based on economic status. It’s especially difficult for poor people to exercise their rights. > People have stopped thinking for themselves. Or maybe someone else thought of something yo…

I think that the progressive default argument on this topic is pretty transparent BS. If it's too hard for some people to get an ID, make it easier for everyone to get an ID. Don't open up elections to an obvious fraud vector.

Post by shkkmo » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

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It's weird that you can bribe individual EJ's in Philadelphia like this. In Chicagoland, every polling place has a team of 4-5 judges, and they all have to sign off on the final election result, and all the procedural steps that arrive at that number; every individual vote is recorded in the pollbook. I don't even know how you'd generate fake votes in the first place, even if you bought off all 4 EJs. You can't just…