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Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by desi_ninja »

tavish1 wrote: post #687
yes_really wrote: post #683

The real reason why Google canceled the talk is because the speaker has a long history of anti-hindu rhetoric and multiple employees complained about the talk to HR. That Washington Post article is lying (or being extremely disingenuous) to take advantage of outsiders without context of the situation.

That would be because casteism is deeply tied to hinduism. You can't criticize it, without also implicitly criticizing the other. What is the context that would make this okay?

That is an insincere take. You are confusing varna system with casteism which became an issue later. It is not a Hindu problem but South Asia issue where muslims and Christians allow follow it, apart from discriminating against infidels and non believers

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by RustyConsul »

Bias exist in us all. It's innate. It's what makes us alive.

However, We've never been able to effectively label our bias. We build up these preconceived notions based on our experience and we put them in certain categories that often turn out to be mis-categorized. Taking an example from the article

>I think we would perform better under a non-indian manager

Instead of labelling your bias with 'Race/Class/Caste X', label behavior. We as a society need to be more honest about our bias and use stronger words like "Incompetent, lazy, scattered, arrogant, ineffective". Otherwise you have miscatergorized an entire group of people, not based on behavior but because of some inherited trait.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by int_19h »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #987
int_19h wrote: post #968

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like a European pointing at the Bible and saying, "see, our holy book preaches non-violence, don't believe the naysayers!" Meanwhile, how many Muslim pogroms have there been in India since independence?

Islam conquered and ruled India by the sword. Similar to how Europeans conquered many 'western' lands today. Islam and Europe are then quite similar to each other and quite dissimilar from India in their lust to conquer and subjugate and their generous use of violence.

Are you saying that the historical Islamic conquests of India justify violence against Muslims today?

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

int_19h wrote: post #993
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #987

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam conquered and ruled India by the sword. Similar to how Europeans conquered many 'western' lands today. Islam and Europe are then quite similar to each other and quite dissimilar from India in their lust to conquer and subjugate and their generous use of violence.

Are you saying that the historical Islamic conquests of India justify violence against Muslims today?

No I am saying Hinduism is default peaceful and your 'pogroms against Muslims' narrative is misinformed.

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by michaelmrose »

skyde wrote: post #917
michaelmrose wrote: post #890

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is that you think you can come to a reasonable conclusion without actual numbers AFTER actual numbers were given clearly. The current situation is that we have massive affirmative action for white people and no plans on getting rid of it.

one easy way to get rid of it (for university) is to force them to accept new student only on score to a test for example: GRE, SAT ... If this is done you cannot say the university are racist anymore. If they decide to do this, there will be a lot more asian at Ivy league university because on average they score much better. As someone who is not asian I would still be 100% OK with this because this would be they on…

Do you actually believe that there is a standardized test that can fully quantify who the next generation of doctors and engineers will be with no human judgement involved?

Re: Google cancelled a talk on caste bias

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Post by known »

mission_failed wrote: post #797
rramadass wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your write-up is quite simplistic and hence is very much open to misinterpretation by non-Indians. I highly suggest that you consult the works of Patrick Olivelle and Susan Bayly to get at the real History of "Caste" (Varna vs. Jati etc.). That way you can present what is actually stated in the Hindu Scriptures vs. Their misinterpretation and later practice within Indian Society. Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org…

Caste-splaining

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