The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)

Post by zmgsabst » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #13

Bostonian wrote: post #5

"The current population of students we identify as academically gifted and talented is unacceptably whiter and wealthier than the actual student population of academically gifted and talented students should be." A typical IQ threshold for a gifted program is 130. The average IQ overall is 100 with standard deviation 15. For black Americans the average score on IQ tests is about 85, which explains why blacks will be…

Did you read the part where he pointed out that black/brown students are 66% less likely to be in a gifted program with the same test scores ?

Post by swader999 » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

Post by chernevik » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #18

derac wrote: post #11

Gifted programs are "unacceptably white". WTF does that mean? I had to pass essentially an IQ test to get placed into those classes. For me, it made a big difference in being engaged in schoolwork when every class consisted of reiterating content for days which I had mastered in minutes. Edit: I removed "I don't see what race has to do with it." I do see how race can affect this when the gatekeeper is a teacher with…

Just read what he wrote? > Black students are 66% less likely to be identified as gifted compared to white students with similar test scores. Black, Latinx, and Native American students are far less likely to attend a school that even offers a gifted program.

Post by eej71 » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #19

whatshisface wrote: post #3

> I agree that it is unacceptable to have eighth grade Algebra I classes and gifted education programs that disproportionately exclude Black and brown children. But if equity is the goal, we should be mandating that every eighth grader takes Algebra I—and then structure the entire pre-K to seventh grade student experience to ensure this is a legitimate possibility for every child. Since when does equity mean everyone…

> Why can't we just admit it and quit trying to make people who are unique the same? America keeps conflating equity for equality.

Post by derac » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #18

derac wrote: post #11

Gifted programs are "unacceptably white". WTF does that mean? I had to pass essentially an IQ test to get placed into those classes. For me, it made a big difference in being engaged in schoolwork when every class consisted of reiterating content for days which I had mastered in minutes. Edit: I removed "I don't see what race has to do with it." I do see how race can affect this when the gatekeeper is a teacher with…

Just read what he wrote? > Black students are 66% less likely to be identified as gifted compared to white students with similar test scores. Black, Latinx, and Native American students are far less likely to attend a school that even offers a gifted program.