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Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#21
Can there be a better display of first world (actually SF bay) problems than this post by OP?

All Over the world, workers yearn for breathing time - A few minutes away from the the production line. They wish their tool breaks and the management takes a long while to provide a replacement.

What’s your issue, op? You seem very excited to generate shareholder profit.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#22
Days? It once took me 4 months to have a package manager installed that was blocking a project. Defense software engineering is a whole other level of misery.

I left defense and I'm now in a BigCo. and loving life because things only take days at most. Appreciate what you have?

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#23
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That is exactly what Big means in this context: something indistinguishable from bureaucracy. I am sorry for you but if you want to be able to work “freely” and “get things done”, a big corporation is the worst place to work in. I am not happy to bring bad tidings. Edit: no business gets “Big” without a good paper trail and this implies that no action is performed unless some previous paper work has been carried out.

Yeah, It's a good learning experience at least. Never worked at one of these. Guess I naively assumed that since it was from #SiliconValley it might be different. What do you think would be the best types of jobs to target for lower friction? Startups I guess.

Friction is a continuum. As the company gets smaller, the amount of friction gets lower. Also it depends on what you do for the company, putting a button on the front page of Amazon.com has more friction than putting a button on an internal service support tool or a test tool.

That is to say Big companies can be OK if you land in the right department.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#25
To sound a slightly different note:

Yes - there's lots of friction. Bureaucracy is inevitable, given the cost of turning the ship/the risk level if something bad sneaks through.

That said, there is a ton of potential leverage at BigCo - the scale is extraordinary.

It is a trade - you get a far bigger lever, but it takes way longer to pull.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#26
post #21

Can there be a better display of first world (actually SF bay) problems than this post by OP? All Over the world, workers yearn for breathing time - A few minutes away from the the production line. They wish their tool breaks and the management takes a long while to provide a replacement. What’s your issue, op? You seem very excited to generate shareholder profit.

Problem is you're normally still judged by what you deliver, so you can't just chill and wait for things to get done

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#27
Sit back, and enjoy being paid to do nothing. #Friction is accepted at #bigco so while you can enjoy speed, they probably don't.

The company is paying you to work to their schedule, and unless you're working on "efficiency" or workflow improvement - just take it as it is and keep on top of it with your calendar.

Yeah, it's silly to file a ticket for a self signed cert, but it also puts the onus and responsibility on that team ,not you. Yes you'll miss out on small wins like that, but really - it's a cert in the end, and once you raise it up - let the team deal with it.

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#29

> Anyone else dealt with this? I imagine that the majority of white collar workers are employed by large corporations, and so the majority have to deal with this. Given the number of startup layoffs happening, I imagine a lot of people will be having their first experience with large corporate bureaucracy. > To get anything done is emotionally exhausting. Onboarding as a new hire is usually the most frustrating perio…

serious question: why do you want to "get work done"? You are getting paid regardless. Maybe take time out and work on an open source project. Maybe do consulting on the side. Read a book or something, perhaps?

Re: Ask HN: New job at BigCo. Everything has friction

#30
tl;dr - work at smaller companies in less regulated industries

I'm a PM for security at a CI/CD company, and adding "friction" comes up as a feature request in 50%+ of calls with customers and prospects. As companies grow to a certain size, as a practical matter you can't trust employees to not do bad things. Also, in order to win more business you have to comply with more regulations. Access controls, separation of responsibilities, etc.

Restated, one person's friction is another person's compliance.

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