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Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by haliax »

badclient wrote: post #21
chubot wrote: post #15

So he's right? Every response on this thread seems to be ad hominem. No one seems to be defending AirBNB guys. It is relevant because any online business necessarily has a lot of information about its customers. Spamming is both illegal and immoral (free riding on the commons), so I would choose not to give my business/info to people with a known history of such activity.

Spamming is not illegal. That is the biggest lie out there, actually. You just have to adhere to some specific requirements when sending unsolicited email. Also, spamming may be against many company's TOS but that does not make it illegal. Go read the CAN-SPAM Act.

IT was pretty clear from the story about AirBNB spam that they did not adhere to those requirements, in any way.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by rhizome »

rudiger wrote: post #13

Aaron Greenspan's constant attacks of other people read like the theories of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other people. In other words, complete nonsense.

That's a hell of a reach toward anti-Semitism.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by abbasmehdi »

forensic wrote: post #40

People insulting Aaron Greenspan just don't understand him. If you want to understand him, just imagine a very sensitive precocious child raised on a rigid deontological morality by highly rigid and argumentative parents. This values system is characterized by a rigid logic that mainly focuses on things that are disallowed. For instance, lying is disallowed, betrayal is disallowed, and perfect obedience to official r…

Wow! This is really low. Is this the best counter argument to his accusations?

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by forensic »

abbasmehdi wrote: post #43
forensic wrote: post #40

People insulting Aaron Greenspan just don't understand him. If you want to understand him, just imagine a very sensitive precocious child raised on a rigid deontological morality by highly rigid and argumentative parents. This values system is characterized by a rigid logic that mainly focuses on things that are disallowed. For instance, lying is disallowed, betrayal is disallowed, and perfect obedience to official r…

Wow! This is really low. Is this the best counter argument to his accusations?

It's not a counter argument. I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming. However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by abbasmehdi »

forensic wrote: post #44
abbasmehdi wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! This is really low. Is this the best counter argument to his accusations?

It's not a counter argument. I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming. However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder.

I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming

So you agree with Aaron.

However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder.

And disagree with the journalist's image of the airBnB cofounder.

And you make this point by attacking the person you agree with? Makes no sense.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by forensic »

abbasmehdi wrote: post #45
forensic wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a counter argument. I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming. However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder.

I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming So you agree with Aaron. However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder. And disagree with the journalist's image of the airBnB cofounder. And you make this point by attacking the person you agree with? Makes no sense.

Read closer. It's not an attack. It's an analysis. I have affection for both Aaron and Nathan. Things are not so black and white.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by jcampbell1 »

ers35 wrote: post #37
jcampbell1 wrote: post #32

I have seen Aaron spam mailing lists for FaceCash. When I search his name in Gmail, I see a few of gems like this: "Aaron, this is not an appropriate posting. This is not a list for advertising." Pot meet kettle.

Aaron posted one day later claiming that the message was mistakenly sent to the list: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.devices.blueonyx.user/6... Do you have another example of him spamming a mailing list?

Yes, I have another:

"I realize this is blatant self-promotion, but hopefully it won't ruin anyone's day...

In case anyone is interested, I've recently published a book that's pretty directly related to PHP, as well as issues of programming, intellectual property, and computer security and privacy. It's called "Authoritas:... "

And now I think Aaron also uses sock puppets.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by badclient »

microarchitect wrote: post #39

I fail to see how ad hominen attacks on Greenspan are adding to the discussion. If you feel that he's whining too much, downvote and move on. Onto the article itself, I find it concerning that some people can break the law and get away with it while others can't.

I find it appalling that you have reached a conclusion that a law was broken based almost entirely on the words of a bitter gossip peddler.

What law was broken? You do understand that merely sending spam isn't illegal, right? Please read the CAN-SPAM Act for yourself.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by abbasmehdi »

forensic wrote: post #46
abbasmehdi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly believe Aaron is telling the truth about the porn spamming So you agree with Aaron. However I also believe it does not make the perpetrator a bad cofounder. And disagree with the journalist's image of the airBnB cofounder. And you make this point by attacking the person you agree with? Makes no sense.

Read closer. It's not an attack. It's an analysis. I have affection for both Aaron and Nathan. Things are not so black and white.

It's cyber bullying. Don't take my word for it, look it up.

Re: Allegations of past and present Internet crime haunt Airbnb co-founder

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Post by thewileyone »

forensic wrote: post #40

People insulting Aaron Greenspan just don't understand him. If you want to understand him, just imagine a very sensitive precocious child raised on a rigid deontological morality by highly rigid and argumentative parents. This values system is characterized by a rigid logic that mainly focuses on things that are disallowed. For instance, lying is disallowed, betrayal is disallowed, and perfect obedience to official r…

Your argument makes Aaron Greenspan look like the Winklevoss twins ... and I agree with your argument.
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