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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

qsort wrote: post #539
alaricus wrote: post #538

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Ukraine is not winning right now. Unless your definition of winning is "slowly losing territory". Check the map: https://liveuamap.com/

I don't give a fuck about tactics and crap, this isn't Starcraft. My definition of winning is the same definition of winning war has had since the beginning of time: achieving one's political objectives. Ukraine's political objectives are: * To be in the strongest possible position at the peace table * To get military and political support from the West against Russia during the conflict and after the conflict is ove…

How does losing territory put Ukraine in a strong position in the negotiating table? Longer this war lasts, more territory Ukraine will lose.

The only place Ukraine is winning is in Western media.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

lrem wrote: post #445
PKop wrote: post #434

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US sanctioned Swiss and Russian suppliers constructing the pipeline, and debated in Congress and Whitehouse various policies to ban it's activation. >it was a bad idea It isn't a bad idea. It's a very good idea for Europe. Cheap plentiful energy supply from your neighbor and expanded economic relations would be a very good thing for making Europe economy strong. Sanctioning Russia is hurting Europe severely. They hav…

It was a very bad idea. "We don't need nuclear power, we have Russian gas" is pretty hard to defend as an idea, really. Especially after Russia went pretty overt in its ambitions to re-establish the empire. And the invasion of Georgia was years before construction of Nord Stream 1 started and Nord Stream 2 went into planning . The annexation of Crimea years before the construction of Nord Stream 2 started.

Fun fact: the rabidly anti-Nuclear part of German politics is the Green party. Who are also the most pro-American and pro-War faction these days. It makes 0 sense.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

systemvoltage wrote: post #355
alaricus wrote: post #348

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This made me laugh. Isis was a direct consequence of American invasion of Iraq. You can't do what America did in Fallujah and not expect some kind of blowback.

> Since at latest 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of a Sunni Islamic state. Specifically, ISIL has sought to establish itself as a caliphate, an Islamic state led by a group of religious authorities under a supreme leader – the caliph – who is believed to be the successor to Prophet Muhammad. Furthermore, it is worth studying the Arab Spring and what the underlying causes were: https://e…

Doesn't change the fact that America spent the last 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by qsort »

alaricus wrote: post #541
qsort wrote: post #539

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I don't give a fuck about tactics and crap, this isn't Starcraft. My definition of winning is the same definition of winning war has had since the beginning of time: achieving one's political objectives. Ukraine's political objectives are: * To be in the strongest possible position at the peace table * To get military and political support from the West against Russia during the conflict and after the conflict is ove…

How does losing territory put Ukraine in a strong position in the negotiating table? Longer this war lasts, more territory Ukraine will lose. The only place Ukraine is winning is in Western media.

Which is yet again a blatant and obvious lie.

Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now.

While wars are fundamentally unpredictable, most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely, and that the best result Russia can hope for is a stalemate along the front as it is right now.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

qsort wrote: post #544
alaricus wrote: post #541

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How does losing territory put Ukraine in a strong position in the negotiating table? Longer this war lasts, more territory Ukraine will lose. The only place Ukraine is winning is in Western media.

Which is yet again a blatant and obvious lie. Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now. While wars are fundamentally unpredictable, most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely, and that the best result Russia can hope for is a stalemate along the front as it is right now.

> Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now.

Two months ago Russians were still trying to take Mariupol and Sievierodonetsk. The first one is now taken, and the second is almost taken.

> most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely

Most military experts you are reading maybe. Russia has been slowly and steadily continuing its advance.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by ISL »

mike_hock wrote: post #404
wazoox wrote: post #270

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That was the main argument for global trade already in 1914. France was Germany's most important commercial partner, and vice-versa. All German rifles had stocks made from French walnut wood! All French locomotives had German-made tubing! This stupid mantra was repeated ad nauseam after 1991, too, with silly op-eds from Friedman and friends about how two countries with McDonald joints in both can't be at war and simi…

See, that's the problem with franchises. If every McDonald's was run directly by McDonald's HQ, then surely McDonald's would have pressured Putin not to attack Ukrainian cities with McDonald's restaurants in them.

McDonald's has the same incentives with a franchise system -- the parent makes money when the franchisees thrive.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by qsort »

alaricus wrote: post #545
qsort wrote: post #544

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Which is yet again a blatant and obvious lie. Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now. While wars are fundamentally unpredictable, most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely, and that the best result Russia can hope for is a stalemate along the front as it is right now.

> Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now. Two months ago Russians were still trying to take Mariupol and Sievierodonetsk. The first one is now taken, and the second is almost taken. > most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely Most military experts you are reading maybe. Russia has been slowly and steadily continuing its adva…

They were also trying to take Kyiv, from which they retired in disgrace.

You are making assertions all over the place and don't seem to care that you're getting assertion failures from all of them.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

qsort wrote: post #547
alaricus wrote: post #545

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> Two months ago Russian forces controlled a greater fraction of the territory that they do now. Two months ago Russians were still trying to take Mariupol and Sievierodonetsk. The first one is now taken, and the second is almost taken. > most military experts agree that further Russian advances are extremely unlikely Most military experts you are reading maybe. Russia has been slowly and steadily continuing its adva…

They were also trying to take Kyiv, from which they retired in disgrace. You are making assertions all over the place and don't seem to care that you're getting assertion failures from all of them.

I was about to say the same about you :)

Yes, Russians didn't manage to take Kiev or Kharkiv. But that doesn't change the fact that they are making progress in the east and the south. Wars have more than one front.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by stevenjgarner »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

Investing in local chip fabs is long overdue. These are incredibly important for geopolitical stability and should be distributed world-wide. We've centralized too many fabs in too few places in the search for low cost.

Is the increase in cost known or predictable in decentralizing fabs? The argument for geopolitical stability is strong but at what cost?

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by FooBarWidget »

makoz wrote: post #475
FooBarWidget wrote: post #418

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Nowhere did I say that economic freedom and political freedom are mutually exclusive. What I do protest however is the idea that only political freedom can be considered a legitimate form of freedom. I am making the case that: - economic freedom is an equally valid form of freedom. - societies can make up their own minds on what sort of freedoms they value most. As for "erosion of freedom in the last 10 years in Chin…

> As for "erosion of freedom in the last 10 years in China ... the Chinese people don't view it that way Really? My girlfriend and her friends would strongly disagree with that statement. From my understanding they grew up in a time when internet in China was a lot younger and they actually had an ability to discuss political discussions, or items that highlight the government in a negative manner. Now everything tha…

What I'm arguing is not whether freedom of speech in China has changed. What I'm arguing is that Chinese people, by and large, value different kinds of freedoms, assigning different priorities. It's like telling an average social media user about the erosion of the freedom to self-host and the erosion of Free Software values. The average user cares about very different things.

The data from decades of research is very clear on this. People like your girlfriend and her social circle, who value freedom of speech the most, are a minority in China. A decreasing minority even. By and large, people are happy with the direction of China. Even if various groups may disagree with specific parts of policy, overall satisfaction is quite high. Freedom of speech is considered a nice to have, not a must, and ranks below many other things such as freedom from poverty, freedom to get quality education, freedom from disease, freedom from anarchy, freedom of security, etc.

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