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Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

rat87 wrote: post #381
alaricus wrote: post #318

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The world doesn't revolve around "America vs Russia". There are lots of other things going on. And if you are looking for a mass murderer, is there a bigger mass murderer than USA after 20 years of mass murder in the Middle East?

Yes it doesn't revolve around America vs Russia You have to consider the EU vs Russia. It's not in EU's or Germany's intrest to keep trading with Russia

EU and Russia are practially neighbours. Our interest is in peace and trade, not war.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

rat87 wrote: post #410
PKop wrote: post #395

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It is though, they get something like 40% of their gas from Russia, and 30% of oil imports. It is immensely in the interest of Germany to have good relations and continued trade with Russia.

No it's in Germanys interest to f*ck Russia up as much as they can financially (and in terms of weapon shipments ( in the hope it ends the war sooner. And diversify their energy. Germany's intrest is for Ukraine to win as quick as possible Before the war Germany at least had a reasonable sounding argument (peace through trade) but it's been proven totally wrong they need to admit they were wrong and move on

Ukraine can't win.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

astrange wrote: post #520
Shadonototra wrote: post #443

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It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia It is not in US's interest to let EU keep trading with Russia USA wants the EU to be their giant marketplace where they can sell their culture and products USA also wants to weaken Russia so they can finally contain China North, East, West and South Seems like you were sleeping the past century, blurry days ahead!

> It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia Russia's been blatantly assassinating people across Europe for years and would invade Poland in a second for personal pleasure even if it caused an economic loss for them again. They haven't evolved past Mongol horde methods of living with their neighbors and are relying on everyone else always taking the "rational" result of appeasing them rather than fighting bac…

America spent 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East, and we ended up having to take care of millions of refugees as a result.

America is not a friend to Europe. We have no business joining America in a struggle against Russia.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

fomine3 wrote: post #495
alaricus wrote: post #349

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Nord Stream 2 was opposed by Americans who want to sell overpriced LNG to Europe. It was also opposed by Eastern Europeaners such as Tusk who (understandibly) dislike Russia.

Now it's proved that Eastern are right.

Hardly

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

dgellow wrote: post #450
cute_boi wrote: post #69

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People living on democracy have right to question when their money is being spent in enriching the country which has habit of meddling foreign policy?

You can question whatever you want. That doesn’t answer why it matters that Intel has their HQ in the US. It’s not like there is such a large choice of companies if you want to be able to produce chips in Europe.

Intel is subservient to American government. I don't want German taxpayer money going into an entity that is subservient to the American government.

For example, America has a habit of forcing American companies to push American foreign policy. For example: Google dropping Huawei.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by qsort »

alaricus wrote: post #532
rat87 wrote: post #410

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No it's in Germanys interest to f*ck Russia up as much as they can financially (and in terms of weapon shipments ( in the hope it ends the war sooner. And diversify their energy. Germany's intrest is for Ukraine to win as quick as possible Before the war Germany at least had a reasonable sounding argument (peace through trade) but it's been proven totally wrong they need to admit they were wrong and move on

Ukraine can't win.

By most reasonable metrics they are winning right now, so if I remember my modal logic correctly, this statement can't be too accurate.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

fromeroj wrote: post #231
alaricus wrote: post #45

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I consider it unethical for my tax euros to subsidize an American company.

where you think your tax euros go anyway? Now that germany will re-militarize, just expect to be a much larger amount going to american companies.

I question the sanity of our politicians that think putting German money into F35 is a good idea.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

qsort wrote: post #536
alaricus wrote: post #532

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Ukraine can't win.

By most reasonable metrics they are winning right now, so if I remember my modal logic correctly, this statement can't be too accurate.

Ukraine is not winning right now. Unless your definition of winning is "slowly losing territory". Check the map: https://liveuamap.com/

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by qsort »

alaricus wrote: post #538
qsort wrote: post #536

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By most reasonable metrics they are winning right now, so if I remember my modal logic correctly, this statement can't be too accurate.

Ukraine is not winning right now. Unless your definition of winning is "slowly losing territory". Check the map: https://liveuamap.com/

I don't give a fuck about tactics and crap, this isn't Starcraft.

My definition of winning is the same definition of winning war has had since the beginning of time: achieving one's political objectives.

Ukraine's political objectives are:

* To be in the strongest possible position at the peace table

* To get military and political support from the West against Russia during the conflict and after the conflict is over (EU membership, military protection from NATO if not NATO membership).

They are on track to achieve both.

Russia's political objective was clearly regime change, which miserably failed, and then control of Donbas, which they are struggling to achieve.

So, who's winning?

The only way Russia wins is if nonsense Russian talking points infest Western public opinion so much that we stop arming Ukraine.

Re: Germany paying $5.5B for Intel fab

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Post by alaricus »

vegai_ wrote: post #74
alaricus wrote: post #38

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> The origin of the company is irrelevant if they respect basic norms. This is not correct. American govenment has a habit of using American companies to push foreign policy objectives.

That hardly matters as American and EU foreign policy are almost completely aligned.

No they are not. The invasion of Iraq, the intervention of Syria, the destabilization of the Middle East are all things Europe strongly objects to.
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