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'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by ryan_lane »

chitowneats wrote: post #120
ryan_lane wrote: post #115

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Ah, yes, this is a totally real and true story. For those reading this: Lyft's local offices don't have DEI people. Lyft hardly has a DEI team, and they're centrally located.

Lyft Bikes & Scooters in NYC absolutely did have DEI staff. That office was partially the result of an acquisition, so you may not be aware of the unique circumstances if you or someone you know worked elsewhere in the org. The office was two floors, with hundreds of employees, in the middle of Manhattan. It would have been conspicuous (and quickly remedied) if there wasn't anyone representing DEI there. The story is…

I worked out of that office for three months as one of the landing team members (second landing team), and periodically over the course of the next two years or so. After numerous complaints of rampant racism and sexism in that office (especially related to hiring), they brought over some recruiters who were focused on DEI. A number of people were fired for sexual harassment.

There was not a DEI team member in the office though. That team consists of 3 people, only in SF headquarters. Maybe you're mixing up recruiters and DEI team members?

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by mise_en_place »

falcolas wrote: post #112
8note wrote: post #107

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There's similarly good reasons to not hire somebody old though - theyve already been trained in some other work method, have/spend time with their families, have retirement sooner, etc

> have retirement sooner By that logic, you shouldnt hire women, since they may get pregnant and take extensive leave on your company’s dime. Or men, whose partner could get pregnant (or adopt). > have/spend time with their families Applies to anyone over the age of 18. Probably under 18 too. > theyve already been trained in some other work method Which is why once you learn one programming language, you are immediat…

I just want to comment that your comment reminded me of min wage requirements. I'd love to hire a really Jr DevOps engineer but because of min wage and benefits that makes it impossible. If there was no min wage requirements I could hire a high school student with interest and not get destroyed financially by regulations

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by gedy »

striking wrote: post #96
chitowneats wrote: post #93

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I'm self taught. No college degree. Raised by a single mother on government assistance. I'm very tired of hearing about all the advantages I have from people born with the silver spoon, just not white. It's very common to run into such individuals in tech. Race-focused DEI is very beneficial to people like this because they have all the elite pedigree without any of the racial baggage. Rarely do I see these efforts h…

Again, I'm sorry to hear that, but I promise you there are people out there working to make things better for everyone. All I can offer you is that the successes are far less visible than the failures, and that it's really easy to get DEI wrong (whether intentionally or otherwise). I hope that at least I've conveyed why programs like this exist and why they might be helpful to everyone, even if we disagree on whether…

In zero cases have I heard of of any DEI efforts talk about economically disadvantaged candidates. It's always pop culture visible or sexual diversity.

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by chitowneats »

ryan_lane wrote: post #131
chitowneats wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lyft Bikes & Scooters in NYC absolutely did have DEI staff. That office was partially the result of an acquisition, so you may not be aware of the unique circumstances if you or someone you know worked elsewhere in the org. The office was two floors, with hundreds of employees, in the middle of Manhattan. It would have been conspicuous (and quickly remedied) if there wasn't anyone representing DEI there. The story is…

I worked out of that office for three months as one of the landing team members (second landing team), and periodically over the course of the next two years or so. After numerous complaints of rampant racism and sexism in that office (especially related to hiring), they brought over some recruiters who were focused on DEI. A number of people were fired for sexual harassment. There was not a DEI team member in the of…

My tenure wasn't long enough to witness any of this. It didn't take long to determine it wasn't the right fit for me.

Unless these recruiters were there early on, it couldn't have been them.

You mentioned you were a frequent visitor to the office. Did anyone from the DEI team ever make the trip? I know I met this person at lunch at least twice but I suppose I never saw their desk.

What happened at that office is awful. Clearly it needed to be cleaned up. Including any DEI staff acting unprofessionally.

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by RappingBoomer »

mise_en_place wrote: post #59
RappingBoomer wrote: post #27

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law school grad here--generic white males are not afforded the same protections as protected classes

Did you really go to law school? Or do they not teach the Constitution anymore?

magna cum laude

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by boppo1 »

camdat wrote: post #129
usrn wrote: post #127

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It's a conspiracy theory until it turns out to be an actual conspiracy. Just because they're right wing doesn't mean they're wrong. Most "normal" people in the US are pretty far to the right (and for good reasons as we can see here.)

>The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.

You're proving his point.

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by chitowneats »

gedy wrote: post #133
striking wrote: post #96

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Again, I'm sorry to hear that, but I promise you there are people out there working to make things better for everyone. All I can offer you is that the successes are far less visible than the failures, and that it's really easy to get DEI wrong (whether intentionally or otherwise). I hope that at least I've conveyed why programs like this exist and why they might be helpful to everyone, even if we disagree on whether…

In zero cases have I heard of of any DEI efforts talk about economically disadvantaged candidates. It's always pop culture visible or sexual diversity.

I was really hoping the parent commenter would give me an example of a place that does this. Seems like it would be nice place to work.

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by camdat »

boppo1 wrote: post #136
camdat wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.

You're proving his point.

He edited his comment to include the additional information. I assume that's easier than confronting that his worldview "has no basis in fact"

Re: 'Old white guy' can move forward with workplace bias suit against AT&T

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Post by poulpy123 »

usrn wrote: post #123
CodeSgt wrote: post #35

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When I initially read that I honestly didn't think it was all that bad. Inappropriate? Yes. Lawsuit worthy? No. But then, I imagined if the same thing were said to a 58 year old black woman, and immediately realized that it's severity. Is it just me, or has racism towards white people become acceptable/main stream (at least, much more so than racism towards other races)? I feel as if my lack of a visceral reaction to…

It's because the ideas come from early 20th Russian bolshevism. It's an application of Marxism to race so you can't be "racist" towards White people because they're "oppressors." It's why I wish people would use "bigoted" instead of "racist" because it's less ambiguous to the extremists pushing the nonsense and the people listening to them.

Lol what the fuck are you saying ? Bolchevism was a white men thing like almost any political movement at this time. The idea that you can't be racist against white people is much more recent and it's popularity if not the concept itself comes from the USA
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